Schenn's Next deal

[Kin]

Burke is the one GM who, for the most part, has really stuck to the traditional type contracts.  You know, no more than 5 years, not heavily front-loaded, no huge signing bonus, no restrictive NMC, etc.

He's also struggled to sign any meaningful FA's in his time here. I don't think the two are unconnected.

 

[Corn Flake]

So convoluted, front-loaded or bonus laden mega-term contracts are not mandatory for good young players?

Oh.  My mistake.

Really though. 10M signing bonus for Myers? Crazy.

Its just one of those things that doesn't seen necessary.  When was the last time a player received a signing bonus even remotely close to that amount? This could certainly start a precedent, and while it might not really be a big deal over the life of the contract, handing $10 mil to a 21-22 year old kid can have negative consequences.  Plus, I'm sure the shallow pocketed teams winced on that one.

Burke is the one GM who, for the most part, has really stuck to the traditional type contracts.  You know, no more than 5 years, not heavily front-loaded, no huge signing bonus, no restrictive NMC, etc.

I like that.  I really hate the free wheeling cowboy attitude that most GM's have seemed to have undertaken lately.

Agreed.  Burke and a few other GM's seem to be demonstrating that a 4 or 5 year deal is still completely reasonable and acceptable.  No need for clown show contracts that have crazy lengths and silly bonuses like this.

 

[Stronger Than All]

Good job, time for Schenn to keep progressing now.

 

[iwas11in67]

Pretty good deal. $3.6m should seem like a steal 2-3 years from now.

 

[Bender]

While Sabres fans are swooning, I think there's one important caveat they're missing here: Flexibility. They don't have any. They will live and die by this group for the next five years or so, whether they achieve anything or not. And from my point of view: they aren't good enough to win the Cup, and they'll be in tough to make additions to make those moves to put them over the top.

16 are signed for their 2nd season from now
10 for their 3rd
5 for their 4th
and
3 for their 5th season.

If "They will live and die by this group for the next five years or so", it won't be likely due to  contracts they've already signed or cap space in my opinion.

I wouldn't put them into the top 4 as a contender but if Leino pans out at center and they maintain decent health, they could be a pretty tough team.

I don't see the doom and gloom for the next five years even if it doesn't all work out.

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=8

They're already $3m over the cap according to Capgeek. Moreover, the number of players signed going forward isn't the problem, its the amount. They have $42m locked up for 10 players. Ennis and Enroth will be due for raises which could bring it to $47-$48. They'll have $20m to spend on 10 or 11 players. Its doable, but imo they've overpaid in certain aspects of their core which could be a problem down the line if they hit any production speed bumps.

 

[Erndog]

Burke is the one GM who, for the most part, has really stuck to the traditional type contracts.  You know, no more than 5 years, not heavily front-loaded, no huge signing bonus, no restrictive NMC, etc.

He's also struggled to sign any meaningful FA's in his time here. I don't think the two are unconnected.

I suppose that's fair, but in the same breath, he's managed to re-sign/sign his own RFA's like Kessel, Schenn, Reimer, Grabovski to very reasonable deals.

His UFA history isn't a complete swing and miss (talking solely in terms of signing a player, not based on performance).  He's signed Connolly, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Armstrong, etc.

The only 'meaningful' UFA this past year was Richards and 28 other teams failed to sign him as well.

 

[Bender]

Burke is the one GM who, for the most part, has really stuck to the traditional type contracts.  You know, no more than 5 years, not heavily front-loaded, no huge signing bonus, no restrictive NMC, etc.

He's also struggled to sign any meaningful FA's in his time here. I don't think the two are unconnected.

I suppose that's fair, but in the same breath, he's managed to re-sign/sign his own RFA's like Kessel, Schenn, Reimer, Grabovski to very reasonable deals.

His UFA history isn't a complete swing and miss (talking solely in terms of signing a player, not based on performance).  He's signed Connolly, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Armstrong, etc.

The only 'meaningful' UFA this past year was Richards and 28 other teams failed to sign him as well.

The other would be Ilya Kovalchuk, but I don't think we were really in that race to begin with. Nevermind that NJ was fined for cap circumvention just to sign him to the deal he was looking for.

 

[maplesyrup]

We should play a guessing game for poops and chuckles. I'll start.

3 years, 3.75 per.

5 years, 3.55 per.

Nicely done!

 

[Tigger]

If this is correct the Leafs have a shade over 2m in cap space with 24 players signed, not bad. Good deal for Luke, I hoped for something like 3.5 per on 3 years, I like this even more.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'd have liked another year or two at that number but still, a very good deal I think. 

 

[Kin]

I suppose that's fair, but in the same breath, he's managed to re-sign/sign his own RFA's like Kessel, Schenn, Reimer, Grabovski to very reasonable deals.

Yeah, but realistically none of those guys are the kind who were going to get huge contracts. He wasn't dealing with Mike Richards, he's dealing with RFA's with little leverage and without a ton of success.

And, maybe this is just me, but do the Carter/Richards deals really look all that bad right now?

His UFA history isn't a complete swing and miss (talking solely in terms of signing a player, not based on performance).  He's signed Connolly, Komisarek, Beauchemin, Armstrong, etc.

That's kind of my point though. By taking this stance(at least in part) it looks like Burke is going to be limited to making competitive offers only to the middle of the pack FA's and, probably in a couple of those cases, overpaying those middle of the pack guys.

The only 'meaningful' UFA this past year was Richards and 28 other teams failed to sign him as well.

Well, no. Not all of those 28 teams had the cap space to sign Richards. Not all of those 28 teams had the actual money to sign him either. Also, not all of them had the glaring need for Brad Richards and didn't put in offers. The Pittsburgh Penguins, I'm going to guess, didn't "fail" to sign Brad Richards. They had no interest in it.

The Leafs were in a unique position where they had the cap space, had the need and had the money and they made an offer that wasn't really financially competitive with the offer he eventually took. The Kovalchuk deal, which I'd be the first to admit is different for the Leafs for a number of reason, is another deal where Burke's stance would have limited the Leafs to not making a competitive offer.

Now, we can go back and forth as to whether or not the Devils/Rangers are going to love those deals six or seven years from now but it does look to me as though that sort of stance is going to limit what Burke can do with free agents if those free agents are even sort of interested in maximizing their earning potential. I'm not necessarily criticizing that stance but I sure then wouldn't be banking on the team adding any impact free agents in the future.

 

[princedpw]

I'm very happy.  They buy a ufa year.  There would appear to be very little risk to this deal, there is no hold out and everyone is happy.  It looks like a successful negotiation.

I will be happy if schenn slightly underperforms for the next two years and equals or overpermforms in the following 3 when it is more likely for the leafs to begin to contend (come on getzlaf ufa!)

I'm on my iPhone flying to Japan -- no flash.  Can anyone post a capgeek analysis of the space we have next year to resign grabbo +kulemin ?

 

[Tigger]

Hasn't Burke said he would consider changing his stance if the right player was available? I can't think of many impact FA's that got away aside from those two, one being a player Burke didn't want, the other being a little too old considering the makeup of the team.

I think Burke would be willing to go outside of his usual position should a Parise, a Getzlaf, a Perry or a Weber go to market.

 

[Tigger]

I'm very happy.  They buy a ufa year.  There would appear to be very little risk to this deal, there is no hold out and everyone is happy.  It looks like a successful negotiation.

I will be happy if schenn slightly underperforms for the next two years and equals or overpermforms in the following 3 when it is more likely for the leafs to begin to contend (come on getzlaf ufa!)

I'm on my iPhone flying to Japan -- no flash.  Can anyone post a capgeek analysis of the space we have next year to resign grabbo +kulemin ?

Approx 16.5 in space with 15 players signed, significant rfa's Kulemin, Aulie and Franson. Significant ufa's Grabbo, Liles and Goose.

 

[Bender]

I'm really happy with Schenn's deal right now. I'm just starting to get a little bit worried about Grabbo and Kooly both needing new contracts next year... Something's gotta give sooner rather than later. It looks like shipping Komisarek would solve a lot of problems going forward.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I'm very happy.  They buy a ufa year.  There would appear to be very little risk to this deal, there is no hold out and everyone is happy.  It looks like a successful negotiation.

I will be happy if schenn slightly underperforms for the next two years and equals or overpermforms in the following 3 when it is more likely for the leafs to begin to contend (come on getzlaf ufa!)

I'm on my iPhone flying to Japan -- no flash.  Can anyone post a capgeek analysis of the space we have next year to resign grabbo +kulemin ?

Approx 16.5 in space with 15 players signed, significant rfa's Kulemin, Aulie and Franson. Significant ufa's Grabbo, Liles and Goose.

I'd say Komisarek's goose will be cooked soon enough. I can't see them keeping that contract, with other key players needing to be signed. I'd be surprised if he lasts this season with the Buds.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm very happy.  They buy a ufa year.  There would appear to be very little risk to this deal, there is no hold out and everyone is happy.  It looks like a successful negotiation.

I will be happy if schenn slightly underperforms for the next two years and equals or overpermforms in the following 3 when it is more likely for the leafs to begin to contend (come on getzlaf ufa!)

I'm on my iPhone flying to Japan -- no flash.  Can anyone post a capgeek analysis of the space we have next year to resign grabbo +kulemin ?

Approx 16.5 in space with 15 players signed, significant rfa's Kulemin, Aulie and Franson. Significant ufa's Grabbo, Liles and Goose.

I'd say Komisarek's goose will be cooked soon enough. I can't see them keeping that contract, with other key players needing to be signed. I'd be surprised if he lasts this season with the Buds.

I know Burke worked some magic with Toskala and Blake (to name a couple) but I'd be most interested to see how he's able to deal with Komisarek.

 

[Kin]

I know Burke worked some magic with Toskala and Blake (to name a couple) but I'd be most interested to see how he's able to deal with Komisarek.

How much money did the Leafs save in the Toskala/Blake deal? 500k-A million? If that's the kind of magic that would need to be pulled here I'm not entirely sure it's worth it.

 

[ZBBM]

Let's see: led the league in hits last year, becoming more comfy on offense (if not real proficient), defensive play much more solid after soph slump.  In short, well on his way to becoming exactly the player he was projected to be.  This deal will be one among the league's top-value by year 3 of the contract.  Very well done by Burke and his team.

Here's hoping he'll be wearing the C by the end of the deal.

 

[Deebo]

How much money did the Leafs save in the Toskala/Blake deal? 500k-A million? If that's the kind of magic that would need to be pulled here I'm not entirely sure it's worth it.

Blake was due $3M in cash and $4M on the cap for the hext 2 seasons and Giguere was due $7M in cash and $6M on the cap for 1 season.

We were -$2M on the cap last year, but +$4M on the cap this year and Anahiem spent a million less cash as a result of the deal.

Toskala was largely irrelivant in the deal, he never played for the Ducks and was only included because most trades involving a goalie send one the other way, we didn't really dump any salary here either because he was UFA at the end of the season.