Tank Nation: Matthews Edition

[ZBBM]

So, lets say that the Leafs win the lottery.

If the Coyotes propose a trade like Max Domi + 7th overall for the 1st overall, would you pull the trigger ?

For me is a no Brainer, they get their local Kid, we get our + a 7th could translate into Alex Nylander or Jacob Chychrun (with another move up, since they do have tons of 2nd rounders in the next drafts)

Would you ?

Not even close. They'd have to add Strome, OEL, and probably Dvorak for the Leafs to make that deal. Domi's a nice young player and all, but Matthews is a franchise player. You don't give that up without essentially building your franchise from that deal.

Not that I am advocating trading away a Matthews, but that return seems a bit over the top.  Matthews is hyped, but not like McDavid was.  I think any two of Domi, Strome, or OEL + their pick would be a reasonable return.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Not even close. They'd have to add Strome, OEL, and probably Dvorak for the Leafs to make that deal. Domi's a nice young player and all, but Matthews is a franchise player. You don't give that up without essentially building your franchise from that deal.

All 3 are probably pushing it. If they added Strome + Dvorak it would be a maaayyybbeee for me, but if they added OEL to Domi+7th OA I think the Leafs would probably have to take it. With that said I don't think that there's a chance Arizona would add either of those 2 options to the original deal.

 

[Al14]

So, lets say that the Leafs win the lottery.

If the Coyotes propose a trade like Max Domi + 7th overall for the 1st overall, would you pull the trigger ?

For me is a no Brainer, they get their local Kid, we get our + a 7th could translate into Alex Nylander or Jacob Chychrun (with another move up, since they do have tons of 2nd rounders in the next drafts)

Would you ?

Not even close. They'd have to add Strome, OEL, and probably Dvorak for the Leafs to make that deal. Domi's a nice young player and all, but Matthews is a franchise player. You don't give that up without essentially building your franchise from that deal.

I'm not sold on Mathews, yet!  So, I'd trade the 1st overall for OEL and the 7th overall.  I'd also take Strome, Domi, and the 7th overall.  ???

Only we, or the the Coyotes, could lose this trade!  ;D 

 

[bustaheims]

Not that I am advocating trading away a Matthews, but that return seems a bit over the top.  Matthews is hyped, but not like McDavid was.  I think any two of Domi, Strome, or OEL + their pick would be a reasonable return.

It's less about Matthews' trade value and more about his value to the Leafs. They can't trade him without hitting a real homerun - and that means real significant pain for the other team. So, for me, that's OEL, their pick, and at least one of Strome/Domi for it to even be seriously considered.

 

[Al14]

Not that I am advocating trading away a Matthews, but that return seems a bit over the top.  Matthews is hyped, but not like McDavid was.  I think any two of Domi, Strome, or OEL + their pick would be a reasonable return.

It's less about Matthews' trade value and more about his value to the Leafs. They can't trade him without hitting a real homerun - and that means real significant pain for the other team. So, for me, that's OEL, their pick, and at least one of Strome/Domi for it to even be seriously considered.

I can see holding out for them to add Domi, but Strome too.  I would not think they'd do that!

OEL and their pick for Mathews, or, Strome, Domi, and their pick would make me happy.

 

[ZBBM]

Not that I am advocating trading away a Matthews, but that return seems a bit over the top.  Matthews is hyped, but not like McDavid was.  I think any two of Domi, Strome, or OEL + their pick would be a reasonable return.

It's less about Matthews' trade value and more about his value to the Leafs. They can't trade him without hitting a real homerun - and that means real significant pain for the other team. So, for me, that's OEL, their pick, and at least one of Strome/Domi for it to even be seriously considered.

I see your point, but for me, OEL would be like getting a second Rielly, quite possibly even a better one.  That's very tempting, though not enough on its own.  But if they added Strome + a 1st?  Boy, I dunno....

EDIT: What Al14 would do (OEL + 7th for Matthews) is not enough return IMO, much as I like OEL.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I see your point, but for me, OEL would be like getting a second Rielly, quite possibly even a better one.  That's very tempting, though not enough on its own.  But if they added Strome + a 1st?  Boy, I dunno....

Yeah, 1st + OEL + Domi/Strome (preferably Strome) gets me to say yes. But there's just no way in hell that Arizona would offer that much for it, even if Matthews is a local kid.

 

[Zee]

Can we stop with the imaginary trade proposals from Arizona until the Leafs officially win the lottery?

(Of course, Edmonton needs D, so if they win Matthews, could then be happy to flip him to Arizona for OEL?)  I could see the NHL liking that arrangement and they don't have to fix the lottery for Arizona, only for Edmonton which nobody would suspect.  Yes, I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart. 

 

[Kin]

It is very hard for me to understand anyone who's watched this team the last 10 years and would then not jump all in on the chance to get a #1 C like Matthews in exchange for a couple of pieces similar to what the Leafs have in place already. It's a recipe for building the Boston Bruins or St. Louis Blues. Depth doesn't trump stars in this league. 

 

[Al14]

Not that I am advocating trading away a Matthews, but that return seems a bit over the top.  Matthews is hyped, but not like McDavid was.  I think any two of Domi, Strome, or OEL + their pick would be a reasonable return.

It's less about Matthews' trade value and more about his value to the Leafs. They can't trade him without hitting a real homerun - and that means real significant pain for the other team. So, for me, that's OEL, their pick, and at least one of Strome/Domi for it to even be seriously considered.

I see your point, but for me, OEL would be like getting a second Rielly, quite possibly even a better one.  That's very tempting, though not enough on its own.  But if they added Strome + a 1st?  Boy, I dunno....

EDIT: What Al14 would do (OEL + 7th for Matthews) is not enough return IMO, much as I like OEL.

From Phoenix, I still say OEL + 7th is enough.  Now, if they were in our division, I'd want more, much more.  OEL is an established #1 D, isn't he?  So, yeah, him and their 7th would do IMHO.  More than that would be highway robbery.  Perfectly genius if Lou could pull it off though.

 

[Al14]

Can we stop with the imaginary trade proposals from Arizona until the Leafs officially win the lottery?

(Of course, Edmonton needs D, so if they win Matthews, could then be happy to flip him to Arizona for OEL?)  I could see the NHL liking that arrangement and they don't have to fix the lottery for Arizona, only for Edmonton which nobody would suspect.  Yes, I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart.

I agree, I'm sorry for jumping the gun.  My bad!  ;D

I blame the tankers too! 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

It is very hard for me to understand anyone who's watched this team the last 10 years and would then not jump all in on the chance to get a #1 C like Matthews in exchange for a couple of pieces similar to what the Leafs have in place already. It's a recipe for building the Boston Bruins or St. Louis Blues. Depth doesn't trump stars in this league. 

I mean in most of these we'd be getting a top-10, arguably top-5 defenceman in the prime of his career back in return. That's not exactly just depth.

 

[Kin]

I mean in most of these we'd be getting a top-10, arguably top-5 defenceman in the prime of his career back in return. That's not exactly just depth.

He's arguably a top 5 defenseman the way he's arguably a top 15 or 20 defenseman. Doughty, Keith, Karlsson, Subban, Letang, Hedman, Josi, McDonagh, Pietrangelo, Ekblad, Suter, Byfuglien, Klingberg...I'm sure on that list there are some you like more than others but I don't think OEL has established for certain as a top 10 guy.

That's good, that's a compelling piece, but St. Louis and Boston have those types of pieces too.

 

[Bullfrog]

From Phoenix, I still say OEL + 7th is enough.  Now, if they were in our division, I'd want more, much more.  OEL is an established #1 D, isn't he?  So, yeah, him and their 7th would do IMHO.  More than that would be highway robbery.  Perfectly genius if Lou could pull it off though.

You would base the suitability of the return based on whether the other team is within the division?

 

[Peter D.]

The only thing I would consider is something like Strome and the 3rd overall pick for the 1st.  Even then I'd probably pass. 

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

IF ..we win the draft lottery  ..let's maybe do something crazy and just keep it.

 

[McGarnagle]

IF ..we win the draft lottery  ..let's maybe do something crazy and just keep it.

 

[lamajama]

Vancouver now in 28.

 

[Kaberle15]

At 28 and they play Edmonton tonight...

 

[leafsjunkie]

The only bad scenario left, is if we win and Edmonton loses.

Any other combination and we finish 30th.

I have no faith in Edmonton.

Lets go NJ!