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[Redleaf]

I attended a seminar once that pointed out that one of the problems that we have today as a society is that we take experts opinion at face value without requesting the proof that lead to them having this opinion.

So I'm going to need you to make a chart...

Weber, Subban, Keith, Byfuglien, Letang, Chara, Yandle - all taken in the 2nd round or later. Same with Vatanen, Brodie, Markov, Josi, Stralman, etc. Giordano was undrafted. Karlsson, Carlson, Shattenkirk, Burns - all taken 14th or later.

Good enough?

I believe he said a chart was required. 

 

[bustaheims]

I believe he said a chart was required. 

A list is a lazy man's chart.

 

[rdowdall]

I attended a seminar once that pointed out that one of the problems that we have today as a society is that we take experts opinion at face value without requesting the proof that lead to them having this opinion.

So I'm going to need you to make a chart...

I think it's pretty straight forward logic. The more developed a player is the easier he is to scout. Defensemen tend to take longer to develop than forwards ergo...

So what your saying is that Kadri is what he is, and Reilly or Gardiner could still become something more.

 

[rdowdall]

I attended a seminar once that pointed out that one of the problems that we have today as a society is that we take experts opinion at face value without requesting the proof that lead to them having this opinion.

So I'm going to need you to make a chart...

Weber, Subban, Keith, Byfuglien, Letang, Chara, Yandle - all taken in the 2nd round or later. Same with Vatanen, Brodie, Markov, Josi, Stralman, etc. Giordano was undrafted. Karlsson, Carlson, Shattenkirk, Burns - all taken 14th or later.

Good enough?

I suppose that will do...Still, having a bunch of good d-man isn't a bad thing.  I do see your point however.

 

[Deebo]

Ideally they trade for a couple first rounders and have those teams collapse and miss the playoffs for a few extra lottery balls.

 

[ZBBM]

Well I haven't given up hope that they may develop Kadri in to a 1b type of first line centre.  That way if the Leafs have to draft a d-man in the first round this year that could potentially become a legitimate #1 d-man in the league then they should take it.

I'd say there's a better chance they have that potential #1 d-man in Rielly than there is of Kadri becoming good enough to be the #1 centre on a Cup contending team. It's a little easier to find top pairing dmen later in the draft than it is #1 centres.

I think we've seen pretty much Kadri's upside, and it's not a #1C on a contender.  Not to say that they should get rid of him or he's not valuable.  But he's been in the league long enough now, and he's not a #1C.

 

[ZBBM]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

 

[ZBBM]

As someone posted in the GDT, I just want to see most of this roster gone, the sooner the better.

 

[rdowdall]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

How so?

 

[ZBBM]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

How so?

Saying that the Leafs still have too much scoring talent to keep losing at this productive and advantageous pace, and that a March climb up a few rungs in the ladder is likely.

 

[rdowdall]

Well I haven't given up hope that they may develop Kadri in to a 1b type of first line centre.  That way if the Leafs have to draft a d-man in the first round this year that could potentially become a legitimate #1 d-man in the league then they should take it.

I'd say there's a better chance they have that potential #1 d-man in Rielly than there is of Kadri becoming good enough to be the #1 centre on a Cup contending team. It's a little easier to find top pairing dmen later in the draft than it is #1 centres.

I think we've seen pretty much Kadri's upside, and it's not a #1C on a contender.  Not to say that they should get rid of him or he's not valuable.  But he's been in the league long enough now, and he's not a #1C.

2006-2007 Blues 49 10 13 23 6 37 2 0 2 89 11.2
2007-2008 Blues 72 13 18 31 -11 99 3 0 2 129 10.1
2008-2009 Blues 82 31 23 54 -3 165 6 2 1 208 14.9
2009-2010 Blues 79 17 31 48 -4 106 5 0 3 164

Those are the stats for David Backes in his first 4 years in the league.  Those don't exactly scream first line centre to me either.  Sure 2008-2009 looks good, but then there is a back slide in 2009-2010.

I get what people are saying.  He doesn't have numbers like a Sydney Crosby, or a Toews, or a Stamkos.  Those guys are definitely #1's on any team in the leaque. 

Now I am not saying unequivocally that Kadri is a first line centre, but he could still grow in to the role and that the jury is still out on where he will end up.  The Leafs MO over the years is to trade these guys too early in their development before they actually see what they have. 

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

As a Mirtle reader and fan, I think he can accurately title most of his articles, "Whatever you're hoping for, it's not going to happen, and here's why".

 

[mc]

At least Philly won today. Damn you Ottawa and damn you Columbus!

 

[Kin]

Those are the stats for David Backes in his first 4 years in the league.  Those don't exactly scream first line centre to me either.

Neither do his numbers since then.

 

[Redleaf]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

As a Mirtle reader and fan, I think he can accurately title most of his articles, "Whatever you're hoping for, it's not going to happen, and here's why".

Yeah. He's a real cheery guy.  :

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

As a Mirtle reader and fan, I think he can accurately title most of his articles, "Whatever you're hoping for, it's not going to happen, and here's why".

I especially enjoy his special Sunday edition: "Your parents lied to you and didn't send your dog to go live on a farm."

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think we've seen pretty much Kadri's upside, and it's not a #1C on a contender.  Not to say that they should get rid of him or he's not valuable.  But he's been in the league long enough now, and he's not a #1C.

His even-strength production is similar to that of other 1st line centres in the league, and that's despite having Winnik and Santorelli as his most common wingers. Nobody has ever expected him to be a top-10 or 15 centre, it's unreasonable to hold him to those expectations. At the very least right now he's performing like a pretty elite 2nd line centre (I'm talking about traditional 2C's, not players like Malkin), and really that's what was expected of him when he was drafted.

Also, 1C's are pretty much established on the powerplay, and Kadri hasn't gotten a single lick of playing time on the Leafs top PP unit during his entire career. And that's despite having pretty elite numbers on the man advantage (prior to this season of course). Even when Bozak was out for extended periods the Leafs choose to use 3 wingers on the top unit instead of giving Kadri an opportunity.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I think Nik covered this earlier today but yeah, they did.  His name is Tyler Seguin.

And, if they suck just a little longer this season, there's a few potential #1 centres in this year's draft.

Mirtle pours cold water on that in tonite's postgame column. 

As a Mirtle reader and fan, I think he can accurately title most of his articles, "Whatever you're hoping for, it's not going to happen, and here's why".

I especially enjoy his special Sunday edition: "Your parents lied to you and didn't send your dog to go live on a farm."

Wait, what?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Yeah. He's a real cheery guy.  :

So now saying that the Leafs are going to start winning again is pessimistic?

 

[Bullfrog]

It's like someone just told you there are worms in that hot cocoa you were about to enjoy. 

Given the state of the team, a 'Rime of the Ancient Marner' theme would be more fun to run with.  And since Highlander says he's missing an i, we could fold in some sort of pirate motif.

Aww, man. I was drinking a hot chocolate when I read that. Well that drink's done.