Rebel_1812
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if you want them to trade most of the players are you a member of the tank nation?
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Deebo said:
I never said 'fail'. They could have easily dissapointed here. I really think the expectations would be much higher for a 'generational talent' in this hockey market, starved for a championship.
I don't think either of these guys would have made much of a difference on this current slide. Having said that, a large share of the blame would probably have been placed on them for not helping enough.
I agree. They would no doubt have been the best player by far but one player just cannot make a winner - even Gretzky or Mario.
The Leafs problem is they have done such a poor (or is it comical) job of drafting beyond the 1st round that a superstar has very little supporting pieces.
The Leafs need to draft players that end up being a "I can't believe the Leafs got him in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round
type of superstar".
Hello virtually every other team in the NHL.
The Leafs problem is they have done such a poor (or is it comical) job of drafting beyond the 1st round that a superstar has very little supporting pieces.
The Leafs need to draft players that end up being a "I can't believe the Leafs got him in the 3rd, 4th, 5th round
type of superstar".
Hello virtually every other team in the NHL.
Having expectations on a possible generational franchise player would be a nice problem for the Leafs to have. Finding gems in the later rounds would be great too.
The Leafs have been trading too many 2nd round and later picks for quick fixes to the badly flawed core that makes up the current Maple Leafs.
The Leafs have been trading too many 2nd round and later picks for quick fixes to the badly flawed core that makes up the current Maple Leafs.
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RedLeaf said:
Maybe, but I think he'd be fine. He is currently rated as the best un-drafted young player in the world. He's competed under some pretty bright lights too while everyone has fawned over him as the next great one. And so far he's been living up to the hype, and the pressure hasn't really seemed to bother him.
moon111 said:
No, it wouldn't be wrong, because patience has it's limits.
I hope they do get rid of the over-paid, under-performing players, and also tank. If it's not painfully obvious to the entire Leafs organization that a complete rebuild is necessary, if not long overdue, then I don't know what to think.
I don't blame the players in this, though. I know they all want to win. Who I do blame is management and ownership and this is going back beyond a decade.
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What I would like to see the Leafs do has more to do with the trade deadline and less to do with losing games on purpose. Over then next 5 years I would like to see the Leafs become major sellers at the trade deadline, selling anything that isn't a core contract, that is expiring, for picks/prospects. This upcoming draft is apparently deep, with some very good talent in it. Players with short contracts that are still question marks should be traded for as many picks as we can get. The Leafs have found gold in the past in the latter rounds of the draft recently (2006 - ) So I would definitely like to see them have more chances (Draft being kinda hit/miss) Im really looking to smile big smiles this year at trade deadline or Nonis should be gone.
I don't share the view that tanking is the answer and history doesn't show any guarantees. While some teams with top picks, Chicago, Pittsburgh have won Stanley Cups with because of high picks, others teams that have accumulated them -- Edmonton, Washington, Ottawa previously -- haven't been able to parlay them in Stanley Cups.
Other teams, such as, LA, St.Louis, Anaheim, have had maybe one top five pick and a host of late first and even later picks that form their core.
On Anaheim, Getzlaf was 19th, Perry 28th, Kesler, 23rd, Fowler, 12th.
St.Louis, apart from Pietangelo at 4th, Tarasenko 16th, Oshie and Steen both 16th, Stastny 44, and Backus 62.
The Bruins, Habs, Red Wings and other top teams rosters, show a similar story.
The Leafs actually have three top 5 picks in their line-up in JVR, 2nd, Kessel and Rielly both 5th.
I personally don't think the Leafs have to blow it up entirely. I think they can retool by unloading Phaneuf and finding another solid d-man or two, like the Islander did with Boychuk and Leddy.
Land a new centre - like a Ryan O'Reilly. We need a upgrade down the middle. O'Rielly, Kadri, Bozak, fourth line big grinder centre would make more sense.
I would not trade Kessel unless it was an equal value offer, player for player. They Leafs need a head honcho forward that can take the spotlight away from Kessel, and he can just do his 35-40 goal thing. I actually remember during the strike shortened season and early last year, he was doing some back checking the media guys were starting to praise him for trying to play more of a two-way game. They have short term memories. Anyway, I just think he's gotten a bit fed up. Still, that is not an excuse. But I mean, when he sees the way Dion is playing some night - guys just walking around him - I am sure it doesn't just drive the fans crazy.
I would trade Reimer to eliminate that whole issue, and find veteran back-up who doesn't mind the role. Or audition the three Marlie goalies, Gibson, Sparks or Bibeau (may not want to rush the kid) to see if one of them can fill the role.
Anyway, blowing the whole thing up in desperation, will likely result in another decade of futility at least.
They simply need to draft better, trade better, develop their kids better and not blow their brains out on overpaid contracts.
Other teams, such as, LA, St.Louis, Anaheim, have had maybe one top five pick and a host of late first and even later picks that form their core.
On Anaheim, Getzlaf was 19th, Perry 28th, Kesler, 23rd, Fowler, 12th.
St.Louis, apart from Pietangelo at 4th, Tarasenko 16th, Oshie and Steen both 16th, Stastny 44, and Backus 62.
The Bruins, Habs, Red Wings and other top teams rosters, show a similar story.
The Leafs actually have three top 5 picks in their line-up in JVR, 2nd, Kessel and Rielly both 5th.
I personally don't think the Leafs have to blow it up entirely. I think they can retool by unloading Phaneuf and finding another solid d-man or two, like the Islander did with Boychuk and Leddy.
Land a new centre - like a Ryan O'Reilly. We need a upgrade down the middle. O'Rielly, Kadri, Bozak, fourth line big grinder centre would make more sense.
I would not trade Kessel unless it was an equal value offer, player for player. They Leafs need a head honcho forward that can take the spotlight away from Kessel, and he can just do his 35-40 goal thing. I actually remember during the strike shortened season and early last year, he was doing some back checking the media guys were starting to praise him for trying to play more of a two-way game. They have short term memories. Anyway, I just think he's gotten a bit fed up. Still, that is not an excuse. But I mean, when he sees the way Dion is playing some night - guys just walking around him - I am sure it doesn't just drive the fans crazy.
I would trade Reimer to eliminate that whole issue, and find veteran back-up who doesn't mind the role. Or audition the three Marlie goalies, Gibson, Sparks or Bibeau (may not want to rush the kid) to see if one of them can fill the role.
Anyway, blowing the whole thing up in desperation, will likely result in another decade of futility at least.
They simply need to draft better, trade better, develop their kids better and not blow their brains out on overpaid contracts.
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Chev-boyar-sky
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CarltonTheBear said:
I hope Granberg makes a good impression!
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Just got back from Jamaica, where I decided to unplug from my devices while I was there. I see the Leafs haven't won a game since I left, I'm shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The tank is on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The tank is on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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