Tavares
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herman
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Bullfrog said:
He's had a steady diet of shutdown minutes all season on a championship-caliber team, and he's more than 10 years younger than Ron Hainsey, and he's basically a free player.
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1000177754682294273
He's been doing it alongside Martin Marincin
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1000226835970576385
Holl's biggest believers are Dubas and Keefe.
(also, he's a Goal per Game player in the NHL, but that's a very very small sample, albeit an achievement that very few call ups have accomplished, let alone one on the defense).
I'd imagine teams will be trying to use Kopitar's contract as a comparable here. He signed for 8 years, $80mil 2 years ago. The first 7 years were for $73mil, so that's an AAV of $10.4mil . I know the cap has gone up and all but I've always felt like that effects the mid-tier guys more than the top-tier guys, and McDavid signing for $12.5mil instead of something like $14mil still keeps non top-5 players in the league below $11mil I think.
So I could stomach $11mil but obviously I'd be pushing for something a little under.
So I could stomach $11mil but obviously I'd be pushing for something a little under.
If Tavares said he'd come to Toronto for $12 million for 7 years and not a penny less, I'd welcome him to the team. The Athletic article demonstrates you can make the cap math work even when Matthews, Nylander and Marner are all getting paid (at $11, $7 and $7.5 respectively, which seem like reasonable estimates).
The Athletic article does put Gardiner at $5 million in that year, which I am skeptical of. It seems likely that Gardiner will get at least $6 if not $7 million as a UFA.
If Gardiner does want $7, hypothetically, would the team be better in the long run if you keep him and trade one of Marner and/or Nylander for cheaper help? Or is it better to let Gardiner go? Acquiring defensive talent just seems so difficult these days whereas we have the center talent to boost any wingers that play with them.
If adding Tavares meant that we wound up trading Marner or Nylander, doing so would seem to be a good outcome to me. Tavares seems much more valuable as a rarely-injured, near-ppg center than either of them will likely ever be. But the assets that you get back by trading either one of them in their primes (a first round pick, a second round pick plus a top prospect?) would be incredibly valuable for maintaining cheap depth for years to come.
And of course, the idea of throwing Matthews on Tavares' wing while Marner plays with Kadri in order to press for a goal during the 3rd period is pretty exciting.
So overall, Tavares for $12 seems like a pretty easy call for me. Now, Tavares for $13 or $14? That seems tougher.
The Athletic article does put Gardiner at $5 million in that year, which I am skeptical of. It seems likely that Gardiner will get at least $6 if not $7 million as a UFA.
If Gardiner does want $7, hypothetically, would the team be better in the long run if you keep him and trade one of Marner and/or Nylander for cheaper help? Or is it better to let Gardiner go? Acquiring defensive talent just seems so difficult these days whereas we have the center talent to boost any wingers that play with them.
If adding Tavares meant that we wound up trading Marner or Nylander, doing so would seem to be a good outcome to me. Tavares seems much more valuable as a rarely-injured, near-ppg center than either of them will likely ever be. But the assets that you get back by trading either one of them in their primes (a first round pick, a second round pick plus a top prospect?) would be incredibly valuable for maintaining cheap depth for years to come.
And of course, the idea of throwing Matthews on Tavares' wing while Marner plays with Kadri in order to press for a goal during the 3rd period is pretty exciting.
So overall, Tavares for $12 seems like a pretty easy call for me. Now, Tavares for $13 or $14? That seems tougher.
AvroArrow said:
I like this.
If you sign a UFA on July 1, can you re-sign that player to a multi year deal on July 2?
1 Year @ $14M on July 1 for 2018-2019
8 years @ $10M on July 2 which takes effect 2019-2020+.
It's in essence a 9 year deal.
That's something I could live with for Tavares.
louisstamos
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Zee said:
If I'm not mistaken - technically yes, but not on July 2nd. Players on 1 year deals can sign an extension halfway through the season. So, January 1st-ish.
louisstamos said:
Any player on a 1-year contract would have to wait until January 1st to sign an extension, yes.
Also, if the league suspected that the 2nd contract had been negotiated and agreed to alongside the 1st contract they could potentially say it circumvents the salary cap and deny it and/or punish the Leafs for it.
Zee
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CarltonTheBear said:
Would be a risk for Tavares to take. Say he signs said 1 year deal and then suffers a career ending injury in November. Bye bye 8 year deal in Jan. Long shot of happening but still, I'd think the player and agent would want the guarantee of a 7 year deal from another team (and 8 from the Islanders if he stays)
Frank E
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princedpw said:
I think he would solidify the middle for this team for the next 7 years, so I'd really to see him signed...but he's a 1 PPG guy, and probably shouldn't be considered in the $12m price range...I'm in at 10'ish, but I'm out at $11m. I think you set yourself up for problems with what you pay Matthews next season if you bring in Tavares at $11m +.