Guilt Trip
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Def considered stars when they left their teams and signed with Minnie...That's the last 2 I can remember.CarltonTheBear said:
Tavares
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Coco-puffs
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Mirtle takes a stab at seeing what the salary cap implications are of adding Tavares.
https://theathletic.com/248317/2018/02/21/mirtle-could-the-maple-leafs-find-a-way-to-fit-john-tavares-under-the-cap/
Simply put, next year its no problem. The year after that will be tight as we'll be paying quite a bit of money for Matthews-Tavares-Nylander-Marner plus Marleau and Kadri, leaving us very thin on the backend (Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott, Borgman, Liljegren, Carrick)
Other notes:
His expected contract costs (per year)
Tavares @ $11M
Matthews @ $11.75M
Nylander @ $6.85M
Marner @ $7M
He has Glendenning in our lineup :'(
https://theathletic.com/248317/2018/02/21/mirtle-could-the-maple-leafs-find-a-way-to-fit-john-tavares-under-the-cap/
Simply put, next year its no problem. The year after that will be tight as we'll be paying quite a bit of money for Matthews-Tavares-Nylander-Marner plus Marleau and Kadri, leaving us very thin on the backend (Rielly, Zaitsev, Dermott, Borgman, Liljegren, Carrick)
Other notes:
His expected contract costs (per year)
Tavares @ $11M
Matthews @ $11.75M
Nylander @ $6.85M
Marner @ $7M
He has Glendenning in our lineup :'(
Coco-puffs said:
Yeah, I think it's pretty close to a sure-thing too. Especially since Gauthier looks like he dropped the ball in his audition.
groundskeeper willie
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I really don't know a lot about this guy. Analytics guys seem down on him, but the traditionalists seem to like him. I get that his contact is too long and maybe half a mil too high, but what exactly is the issue with his play? The little I have heard makes him sound a bit like Komorov but a centre, younger and cheaper.CarltonTheBear said:
If it was something like Martin and a 4th for him would that be considered an OK trade? I doubt Detroit gets their asking price of a second rounder.
Guilt Trip
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If the Leafs need a 4th line centre just in case Moore can't do it, they could always bring up Ben Smith as long as he stays on the 4th line. He's the captain of the Marlies is good on the pk and decent faceoff guy. Could even move Leo to centre and put Leivo on the wing. I think we have enough options internally. Now if they can trade Matt Martin for Glendenning, I'd probably do it.
Crake said:
Have "traditionalists" ever met a 4th liner they didn't like?
herman said:CarltonTheBear said:
Seth Griffith
Who?
groundskeeper willie
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Sure, but fourth liners matter still. Is he a good fourth line/pk specialist with a bad contact or is he just a bad player?CarltonTheBear said:
Crake said:
Oh for sure I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying that generally speaking "traditionalists" love to say positive things about 4th liners who look like they're trying hard, regardless of if they're actually good NHLers. And by all accounts Glendening is not a good NHLer. Not even a good 4th liner. His numbers are roughly in line with someone like Ben Smith, and I think we can all agree that Smith isn't a NHLer.
You should easily be able to find someone who can provide his level of play or better for $1mil or less on a 1-year deal every summer, just like we did with Moore.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah. His contract is probably the biggest negative, considering the market for players of his ability. If the Wings retained 50%, it would be a palatable hit, but it would still be two seasons too long. If he was on an expiring deal, he might be an interesting depth addition (with a different coach, though).
He's a replaceable part - and relatively easy one at that - who the Wings and others have overvalued.
louisstamos
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This is my perspective - Brian Boyle is arguably the best 4th line centre in the league, and we got him last trade deadline for a 2nd round pick.
If Boyle is worth a 2nd, there's no chance Glendenning should be worth a 2nd - especially with that contract.
If Boyle is worth a 2nd, there's no chance Glendenning should be worth a 2nd - especially with that contract.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Keep the faith nutman, never say never. 
bustaheims
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nutman said:
Lou being here, the Islanders, or any other team doesn't really have that much of an impact on things. The truth is, if Tavares has already decided he'd prefer to stay with NYI, whoever was in charge would have been able to get that done. If he already decided to hit the open market, the Leafs still have as much chance to sign him as they did before. And, if he's undecided, Lou isn't going to move the needle much, as the reason he's undecided is not going to be significantly impacted by having another person as part of the front office without the core group of decision makers being removed or significantly altered.
Zee
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bustaheims said:
I think Lou being in NY might alter the equation for Tavares staying put. The Islanders have been viewed as a joke organization with no direction for quite a few years now. With Lou in place, at least they are now perceived as having a strong voice at the top, no more outside distractions with the team, everyone pulling in the same direction yada yada yada. I think the biggest reason Tavares would have for leaving is the fact that the Islanders had no clear direction with Garth Snow running things, at least now Lou can sell him on a vision of bringing back the Islander glory years, complete with cap circumvention in some way shape or form.
Kin
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This speculation all seems to tie into the idea that some Leafs fans had that Lamoriello has some svengali like hold over people despite the fact that it really never manifested itself in actual deals for the Leafs.
I agree with busta. The chance that this really changes things is pretty slim.
I agree with busta. The chance that this really changes things is pretty slim.