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herman said:I'd be okay going up to 12M for Tavares, even if it bites into our defense budget. The cap is set to go up next season. Holl is a cheaper and potentially better alternative to our other in-house options at the moment, and I'm hard pressed to find an affordable RD on the market that I'd be interested in (Frason maaaaybe). Liljegren is a season away, and he'll be <1M for three years (i.e. halfway through Tavares').
I think we have one of the best young winger groups in the league he could play with, with centre support behind (and in front of) him.
Regarding Demers: He played 21:08 per game and was just a -4, seems pretty remarkable on the Coyotes? Why would he be traded?mr grieves said:herman said:I'd be okay going up to 12M for Tavares, even if it bites into our defense budget. The cap is set to go up next season. Holl is a cheaper and potentially better alternative to our other in-house options at the moment, and I'm hard pressed to find an affordable RD on the market that I'd be interested in (Frason maaaaybe). Liljegren is a season away, and he'll be <1M for three years (i.e. halfway through Tavares').
I think we have one of the best young winger groups in the league he could play with, with centre support behind (and in front of) him.
I'm not high on Holl or anything else RHD in the system... but I'd still go to $12m for Tavares. There's no RHD option out there that'd move the needle as much as JT, so that's where I'd look to make a substantial investment. If any of Tulloch's ideas for good RHD upgrades -- Pysyk, Demers, Petry, Gudas -- come to pass, great, and Tavares doesn't get in the way of that. If nothing like that happens, Tavares plus the existing guys in the system makes the team way better than anything else out there that I can see.
cabber24 said:If it was guaranteed you could have Tavares at 7 x 11M this summer OR wait a summer and have Doughty at 7 x 11M which would you choose? I would go with our area of weakness our defense and choose Doughty.
Zee said:Would be a risk for Tavares to take. Say he signs said 1 year deal and then suffers a career ending injury in November. Bye bye 8 year deal in Jan. Long shot of happening but still, I'd think the player and agent would want the guarantee of a 7 year deal from another team (and 8 from the Islanders if he stays)
pmrules said:AvroArrow said:1yr @ 14 with an implied agreement to re-sign for 8x10
I like this.
If you sign a UFA on July 1, can you re-sign that player to a multi year deal on July 2?
1 Year @ $14M on July 1 for 2018-2019
8 years @ $10M on July 2 which takes effect 2019-2020+.
It's in essence a 9 year deal.
That's something I could live with for Tavares.
I can't believe the risk he and Stamkos took playing out their contracts with so much money on the table. What if they suffered career ending injuries prior to season end? Totally wreckless?bustaheims said:Zee said:Would be a risk for Tavares to take. Say he signs said 1 year deal and then suffers a career ending injury in November. Bye bye 8 year deal in Jan. Long shot of happening but still, I'd think the player and agent would want the guarantee of a 7 year deal from another team (and 8 from the Islanders if he stays)
This here is why any talk of a 1 year deal with the promise of a longer term deal shall remain the territory of fantasy talk rather than reality.
Who says JT was even offered a contract? Maybe he wasn't. And if his desire is to leave NYI, he wouldn't sign there... There are a lot of players that play their contract out. Nylander did this year and by all accounts so will Marner and Matthews this year. JVR, Bozak, the same.cabber24 said:I can't believe the risk he and Stamkos took playing out their contracts with so much money on the table. What if they suffered career ending injuries prior to season end? Totally wreckless?bustaheims said:Zee said:Would be a risk for Tavares to take. Say he signs said 1 year deal and then suffers a career ending injury in November. Bye bye 8 year deal in Jan. Long shot of happening but still, I'd think the player and agent would want the guarantee of a 7 year deal from another team (and 8 from the Islanders if he stays)
This here is why any talk of a 1 year deal with the promise of a longer term deal shall remain the territory of fantasy talk rather than reality.
cabber24 said:I can't believe the risk he and Stamkos took playing out their contracts with so much money on the table. What if they suffered career ending injuries prior to season end? Totally wreckless?
cabber24 said:I can't believe the risk he and Stamkos took playing out their contracts with so much money on the table. What if they suffered career ending injuries prior to season end? Totally wreckless?
bustaheims said:It's almost like there's a substantial difference between choosing a short-term deal instead of long-term security and waiting to put yourself in the best situation to achieve long-term security instead of taking an early offer to stay in a situation that maybe you're not happy with.
Nik the Trik said:bustaheims said:It's almost like there's a substantial difference between choosing a short-term deal instead of long-term security and waiting to put yourself in the best situation to achieve long-term security instead of taking an early offer to stay in a situation that maybe you're not happy with.
There's also a fairly mitigated level of risk when you're talking about a worst case scenario of having to live off the 30-40 million you've already earned instead of the 120-140 million you might earn in the future.
Frank E said:Still risky though, right?
Nik the Trik said:Frank E said:Still risky though, right?
Well, I don't really want to turn this into dictionary day but what are you tangibly risking in that scenario? Your second boat? The 3rd and 4th bedrooms in your Tuscan Villa?
Frank E said:Still risky though, right? I wonder if these guys carry insurance, beyond just the contract insurance, in case of career ending injuries.
Dappleganger said:These players, the higher end ones, have insurance not just for their current contract but for future earnings, no?
Glad your not my accountant. An additional $90M into the Tavares fund could take care of generations of his family and go along with any charities of his choosing.Nik the Trik said:Frank E said:Still risky though, right?
Well, I don't really want to turn this into dictionary day but what are you tangibly risking in that scenario? Your second boat? The 3rd and 4th bedrooms in your Tuscan Villa?
cabber24 said:Glad your not my accountant. An additional $90M into the Tavares fund could take care of generations of his family and go along with any charities of his choosing.