The Brian Burke Thread
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hockeyfan1
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Damian said:Sadly.....
Interestingly, the wins column, the goals for column, and the goals against column all seem worse under Burke as compared to pre-Burke.
So, then, one needs to ask, what really has changed?
dappleganger
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hockeyfan1 said:Damian said:Sadly.....
Interestingly, the wins column, the goals for column, and the goals against column all seem worse under Burke as compared to pre-Burke.
So, then, one needs to ask, what really has changed?
No Mats Sundin.
Andy007
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I remember Ron Wilson's 1st press conference and the funny thing is that, while he did stress that the team might not be competetive right away and will have trouble scoring goals, he assured us they would be tight defensively and keep the puck out of the net....And their goals against ballooned to almost 300 lol.
It's like the team, much like a body rejecting an organ transplant, just completely rejected Wilson and Burke. I mean, how else can two people be so consistently colossally wrong about their projections
It's like the team, much like a body rejecting an organ transplant, just completely rejected Wilson and Burke. I mean, how else can two people be so consistently colossally wrong about their projections
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So Obama is a much worse president than Bush was? They're still broke, health care in neutral etc etc..
Sometimes people come in and are handed a bag of dog.... on their first day. Remember that Jason Blake was our top forward when Burke showed up. I don't think anyone else would have done much better without being a little bit lucky.
Sometimes people come in and are handed a bag of dog.... on their first day. Remember that Jason Blake was our top forward when Burke showed up. I don't think anyone else would have done much better without being a little bit lucky.
Corn Flake
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hockeyfan1 said:Damian said:Sadly.....
Interestingly, the wins column, the goals for column, and the goals against column all seem worse under Burke as compared to pre-Burke.
So, then, one needs to ask, what really has changed?
ONe would think there was some sort of rebuilding going on or something.
Corn Flake
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Bender said:
Its funny how that line of his seems to have been all but forgotten. I was rather surprised he was brash enough to say it but in a way, not surprised at all how true it was, and he knew it would be.
This whole cycle of change is so similar to how these things have gone for many teams in the past, you could almost set your watch to it. Wilson sure did.
Kin
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Really the only relevant years on there are the Burke years and I think the general feeling here matches up pretty well with what those numbers tell us. The Leafs took a significant step backwards this year and it's indicative of the team having more questions than answers going forward.
I've decided that a trained monkey could run the Leafs, and we really wouldn't see any different results than what we see here now.
MOJO.....WANTS......GETZLAF.
MOJO....DOESN'T....UNDERSTAND....WHY.....BOB.....MURRAY......IS.....LAUGHING.
On the upside, he might throw "stuff" at reporters when press conferences get intense.
On the downside, Gardiner might be dealt for bananas, and animal rights activists would protest when the media crucified the monkey on its first bad deal.
All in all, the results are not good. I'm not sure it's all Burke's fault, as I am sure some of it just comes down to bad luck/timing. But at the end of the day, he went in a direction that just didn't give the results that we the fans were looking for.
MOJO.....WANTS......GETZLAF.
MOJO....DOESN'T....UNDERSTAND....WHY.....BOB.....MURRAY......IS.....LAUGHING.
On the upside, he might throw "stuff" at reporters when press conferences get intense.
On the downside, Gardiner might be dealt for bananas, and animal rights activists would protest when the media crucified the monkey on its first bad deal.
All in all, the results are not good. I'm not sure it's all Burke's fault, as I am sure some of it just comes down to bad luck/timing. But at the end of the day, he went in a direction that just didn't give the results that we the fans were looking for.
Strangelove
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Bender said:
The implication was that he might not be coach when the Leafs were seriously challenging for a cup. There was no suggestion to the effect that Wilson would never take them to the playoffs. The fact that you (and others) seem to be claiming this is ludicrous and takes Burke/Wilson apologisim to a whole new level.
Damian
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Corn Flake said:hockeyfan1 said:Damian said:Sadly.....
Interestingly, the wins column, the goals for column, and the goals against column all seem worse under Burke as compared to pre-Burke.
So, then, one needs to ask, what really has changed?
ONe would think there was some sort of rebuilding going on or something.
Sure, if thats what hea was interested in doing. Did he not state, unequivocably, he was NOT interested in a 5 year plan? Well.... mission accomplished dude....you're on pace for a 10 year plan..
Optimus Reimer
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What I don't understand is there is not much difference between the teams pre-Burke and during Burke's reign. JFJ came across as being incompetent because of the transactions he made and the false expectations he had about the team. Burke is making just as bad transactions as JFJ did, and had higher expectations that turned out false.
How can a GM/coach pick someone to be captain, when that player turned out to be a dud? How can the GM extend the coach's contract, then fire him a few months after? With all the player movement on and off the team, the team has not got better, but worse. No matter what players come to the Leafs, some end up being dead weight, and the glaring weaknesses on the team have never been addressed.
I think Burke needs to go.
How can a GM/coach pick someone to be captain, when that player turned out to be a dud? How can the GM extend the coach's contract, then fire him a few months after? With all the player movement on and off the team, the team has not got better, but worse. No matter what players come to the Leafs, some end up being dead weight, and the glaring weaknesses on the team have never been addressed.
I think Burke needs to go.
LuncheonMeat
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Optimus Reimer said:
My prediction? The new GM will continually allude to the fact that player X (who is really playing well) was drafted by Burke ala Burke/JFJ.
Even though the team is horrific, Burke really did a nice job of clearing out dud contracts (replacing them with less 'duddy' contracts) and filling up the prospect cupboard. Haven't the polls/studies that look at prospect depth shown a fairly steep improvement where the Leafs are concerned?
When Burke picked up Komi, Beauch in Free Agency, I was pretty pumped. He made some other pick ups via free agency and trades in the hope of a quick fix. I was happy that he made the trade for Kessel as well. So things didn`t turn out, it happens, move on. Burke changed his philosiphy and started a rebuild with young talent. Right now, with the exception of a goaltender, I would definitely take the Leafs roster over the Canadians, who have made the playoffs the last few years and even went to the Conference Final not too long ago. Give the man a break, he will get us to where we want to be, just gonna take a little longer than he had hoped.
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