The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[groundskeeper willie]

Wouldn't mind Moen in the offseason.

This is the first year Moen has looked like he can score at the rate of a third liner, and at 30 I wouldn't count on it becoming the norm. He's a glorified 4th liner, not really what the teams is looking for right now/

 

[Tigger]

Thinking about players I'd want that at the deadline:

Moen/Ruutu/Stafford - Bring some grit/checking/scoring ability/PK work.

Moen and Ruutu are ufa at the end of the season, more attractive as rentals to contenders I'd think and I wouldn't want to spend almost anything on either if I could pick them up next year for no talent cost.

Never been a big Stafford fan and don't really like his cap hit/term, fwiw.

True. Didn't really look at contract situations but rather types of players and some teams that'll be looking to sell (Carolina, Buffalo).

Wouldn't mind Moen in the offseason.

I wouldn't mind Moen either, he'd be a good pick up on a short term deal in the off season.

I still wish the Leafs had signed Talbot...

If the Leafs were a player or two like that away from a real playoff push this year I think I'd be interested in the rental idea but I don't think they are right now.

Gleason would be interesting to that end too.

 

[Champ Kind]

You would trade Grabo for a late first and then use our middle first in a deal?  What are the chances you develop a player that is better than Grabs with a late first?  He's coming into his prime and developing into a 30 goal/60+ point player.  It would think he would be much more valuable as part of a deal himself rather than selling low and burning a pick.

Yes, definitely.  But if you read my post, what I'm saying is that the Leafs' first round pick will be worth substantially more than a late first round pick, and would thus be used in a deal to get a premier player.  Then, I'm saying I would shuttle Grabovski for a late first round pick to recoup any lost youth.  He's unrestricted in the offseason, and I'm not sure where he fits, really, if the Leafs land the 1A everyone is saying they need.

Oh, and I actually do like very much the chances of landing a player of Grabo's quality with a late first round pick.  ;D

 

[Bender]

Thinking about players I'd want that at the deadline:

Moen/Ruutu/Stafford - Bring some grit/checking/scoring ability/PK work.

Moen and Ruutu are ufa at the end of the season, more attractive as rentals to contenders I'd think and I wouldn't want to spend almost anything on either if I could pick them up next year for no talent cost.

Never been a big Stafford fan and don't really like his cap hit/term, fwiw.

True. Didn't really look at contract situations but rather types of players and some teams that'll be looking to sell (Carolina, Buffalo).

Wouldn't mind Moen in the offseason.

I wouldn't mind Moen either, he'd be a good pick up on a short term deal in the off season.

I still wish the Leafs had signed Talbot...

If the Leafs were a player or two like that away from a real playoff push this year I think I'd be interested in the rental idea but I don't think they are right now.

Gleason would be interesting to that end too.

Didn't he make something in the order of $4mil+ per year??

 

[Tigger]

Didn't he make something in the order of $4mil+ per year??

Who?

 

[Bender]

Didn't he make something in the order of $4mil+ per year??

Who?

Talbot, signing with Philly.

 

[Tigger]

From what I can tell it's a hit of 1.75 per on 5 years term.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I'm being completely fictitious here, but does anyone consider trading Lupul?  Obviously, it's a career season for a 28 year old guy.  Signed to a reasonable contract for one more year, at which point he becomes a UFA as a 29/30 year old.  Lupul is probably the team MVP this year.  However, he could probably pull in some major assets from a contending team, maybe something in the Young Player + Top Prosepect + 1'st Rd pick variety.

If Burke goes balls-out to find the 1A centre and maybe a top-flight goalie, does anyone consider moving Lupul at the deadline?

It would suck to have to do it but you're 100% correct, Lupul is having a career year and could pull in a lot at the trading deadline.

I agree.  Who thinks he will stick around after he becomes a UFA?  Moreover, who wants to spend 7 million a year on Lupul.  If Lupul is not going to be with us long term, then we should trade him at his peak value which would be at this coming deadline.

 

[Rebel_1812]

With Liles, I think it comes down to how ready Gardiner is to take his place and at this point, Gardiner is nowhere near ready to do that IMO.

This is not a question of depth, it's a question of development and or talent. If you remove Liles from this team, as we've seen over the past little bit, you notice the hole it creates. I've seen more posts than I can count about how we miss Liles.

Now maybe it will come down to how much that would cost us, which is probably an important question right now, because we do have players that need to be re-upped, specifically Grabovski, so maybe the first question should be what we're going to do with him?

I like Grabo and I know a lot of others do as well. Burkes is going to have to make some very difficult decisions in the next couple weeks, but it's starting to look to me that he needs to send a few contracts out the door, for one coming back and try to save a bit of cap space for next year. I haven't done the specific number crunching, but we have too many bodies going forward, with kids looking ready to come up and some bigger holes to fill also.

I'd try to keep Liles and move out some forwards and a defensman for a better forward coming back that fills a need.

Agree with you here.  However, I'm not sure Burke can send bodies out and directly receive players back.  To me, the Leafs have adequate resources, but they need to reallocated.  For instance, Grabovski + should be dealt and a 1A comes back.  However, Grabovski directly wouldn't net the player the Leafs covet (who would likely be coming froma  rebuilding team, ala Ducks, CBJ, Huricanes, etc).  However, if Grabo nets a late first round pick from the Rangers, perhaps the Leafs own mid-first round is in play for the right deal.

You would trade Grabo for a late first and then use our middle first in a deal?  What are the chances you develop a player that is better than Grabs with a late first?  He's coming into his prime and developing into a 30 goal/60+ point player.  It would think he would be much more valuable as part of a deal himself rather than selling low and burning a pick.

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

 

[Tigger]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

Well, I guess if you think .06 ppg makes that much difference.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

Who thinks he will stick around after he becomes a UFA?

What possible reason would cause somebody to think Lupul will bolt as soon as he gets a chance?

 

[bustaheims]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

 

[maplesyrup]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

Yeah, there's not much wrong with Grabs this year. In fact, I'd like to see BOTH MacArthur and Kulemin punted off that line. A hot Lombardi with Grabs and Kadri could be interesting. 

 

[Zee]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

I think so too.  If at least one of MacArthur / Kulemin was scoring more goals, Grabovski's totals would be better than they are.  Even with the other 2 struggling he's not that far off from last year's pace.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

The way he's been playing lately, he may bump those numbers up a bit.  Hopefully... we need it.

 

[Tigger]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

He also missed 5 games with a knee injury that saw him come back with different linemates and a slightly limited role for a stretch, I'm sure a healthy Grabovski would have made a difference for his regular linemates too over 8-10 games.

...

The Grabovski Kulemin unit was pretty effective shutting down Tavares' line last night, I wouldn't change them.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Grabo sure isn't playing at that pace currently.  Last year might have been a flash in the pan.

He's on pace for 27 goals and 50 points. The drop off in his production can almost entirely be attributed to the drop off in production of his linemates.

And now he's scoring at a higher rate than he did last season.

 

[ZBBM]

Yet he is prime trade bait according to the pundits.  We need to augment our forward lines, not subtract a very valuable piece from them.

 

[Zee]

Yet he is prime trade bait according to the pundits.  We need to augment our forward lines, not subtract a very valuable piece from them.

He is a valuable piece, but often times to make an impact trade you need to give away something good as well.  If the Leafs can deal for a top line center, then your new guy plays top line, Bozak or Connolly move down to #2, it would make sense in that kind of move.

 

[maplesyrup]

I struggled with where to put this.... The "depth to go shopping" thread or this one... Seem much of the same to me... Anyway;

Darren Dreger TSN video link: Blue Jackets forward Jeff Carter is 100% available, but his contract could be an issue for most teams. The Maple Leafs are not interested in Carter, nor have they talked to Columbus about him. Carter has a cap hit $5.27 million for the next 10 years. The Blue Jackets would need at least 1st round pick and a good young roster player in return. Dreger notes that a Tuomo Ruutu could be traded as early as next week. The Hurricanes think if may cost $4 ? $4.5 million on a new deal. The Oilers have said they aren?t shopping Sam Gagner but he keeps coming up in discussions.