AtomicMapleLeaf
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bustaheims said:
Ukraine
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bustaheims
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Who?
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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L K said:
Are you advocating for nuclear war?
I don't see any way to stop him that avoids mutually assured destruction.
Praying for someone domestically to put a bullet through his brain doesn't seem like a strategy, but I've yet to see another one that avoids the entire planet being incinerated.
Do you give Taiwan to the Chinese to bring him to heel? Is that even an option?
To be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm just clueless as to what more can be done.
L K
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
No I get it. I don?t find you argumentative at all.
I honestly don?t know. Absolutely not advocating for nuclear war.
Where I am stuck is really in his credible a nuclear response is from Russia and what threshold engages it. Independent fighters from Europe and America and the Middle East are joining up to fight. Reports of 18000 but over 60,000 have applied. Supposedly military artillery and money has been given to Ukraine from pretty much every Western Nation. The international sanctions have hurt local Russians but most Oligarchy have their finances divested from the Ruble.
At what point does Russia consider what is going on ?war? with the rest of the world. I don?t think the artillery fire that hit the power plant an intentional act but reckless stupidity could have very grave consequences for Europe and the world.
Nuclear weapons have been viewed as a deterrent to war but here they are being used to enable a country to commit war crimes. How many war crimes breaks the threshold of having gone too far? The thought process behind the sanctions is to piss enough Russians off that they demand Putin stop or remove him. What?s preventing him from firing a warhead if he feels he?s about to be ousted.
I know NATO forces the hand based on treaties/agreements but let?s change it up. Russia attacks the UK instead. Should we not engage in military combat then because what if they fire nukes? I really just want to know what the threshold is for action. One country, two, five? Ukraine isn?t a part of NATO but they were trying to move toward it and the EU. Russia didn?t technically do anything with Belarus but LUkashenko is a Soviet plant forcing the country to be subservient to Putin so we are working on two countries already.
I certainly don?t think that something like giving Taiwan to the Chinese is an option. Further enabling another vile dictatorship seems counterproductive.
I don?t want any war. I?m just not really seeing a scenario here where Putin stops at this point.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Indian generals talk about why NATO isn't doing anything;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNHUDDqTgdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNHUDDqTgdI
bustaheims
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L K said:
Same. Unless it becomes crystal clear to him that this is a failed endeavor (and I'm not sure he's every going to see it that way), I don't see him stopping at just taking over Ukraine. He's smart enough to not directly engage any members of NATO until he absolutely has to, but he's absolutely going to invade Moldova. Then, what's stopping him from doing the same with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, etc.? A direct armed conflict feel inevitable at this point.
Arn
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https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1499736956674129923
?NATOs core task is to keep our 30 nations safe. We are not part of this conflict. And we have a responsibility to ensure it does not escalate & spread beyond Ukraine, because that would be even more devastating & dangerous, with even more human suffering?
?NATOs core task is to keep our 30 nations safe. We are not part of this conflict. And we have a responsibility to ensure it does not escalate & spread beyond Ukraine, because that would be even more devastating & dangerous, with even more human suffering?
To me, this suggests that the sanctions are having a huge impact:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/business/lukoil-end-war/index.html
Lukoil calls for end to war.
On the other hand, I read the grim news suggesting that no matter what we do Putin might decide he wants to nuke Ukraine anyway.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/business/lukoil-end-war/index.html
Lukoil calls for end to war.
On the other hand, I read the grim news suggesting that no matter what we do Putin might decide he wants to nuke Ukraine anyway.
That's so wild that there's a part of me that wonders if the picture might actually be fake.
Significantly Insignificant said:
Yeah I know about that but what, did Ovi say he's going to break his contract and bolt to the KHL if he sees a blue and yellow flag in the stands? This decision would have had a lot more to do than just him.
CarltonTheBear said:
Oh yeah I agree. It was more about the wild comment. I believe the media in Washington has asked Ovechkin some pointed questions, so maybe the Caps are just trying to get out in front of it. The next question though is how are the Caps going to feel when they play in an arena that is singing the national anthem of Ukraine?
Heroic Shrimp
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https://twitter.com/trenttelenko/status/1499894935209795594
Amazing thread about Russian lack of preparedness on the ground.
Amazing thread about Russian lack of preparedness on the ground.
L K
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The Russian strategic approach has been bizarre but they are countering that by increasing their artillery fire at civilians.
Evacuation lanes were negotiated. Russia fired on them on the first morning they were supposed to be considered safe zones and evacuation had to be halted.
Evacuation lanes were negotiated. Russia fired on them on the first morning they were supposed to be considered safe zones and evacuation had to be halted.
Heroic Shrimp
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So thoroughly shameless. There?s no low these guys can?t hit.L K said: