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Kin
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berserker said:
Smart or not, I actually know very little about the process of extracting crude oil and refining it into petroleum, both in terms of the technical aspect of it and the geopolitical realities of it. That lack of knowledge is why I probably wouldn't have tried to shift the topic from the war in Ukraine to a criticism of our country's energy policy as I tend to find that when I speak forcefully on topics I'm not all that educated on I end up sounding a little ridiculous. It's why I do my best not to do it.
And, for what it's worth, I wouldn't necessarily rely on Google for complicated subjects.
They are banning the import of Russian oil and petroleum. Isn't that what you wanted?berserker said:
Whether something can be built and whether it makes economic sense to build and produce domestically vs. trade are different things and is a very, very long discussion, and can take a very long time to implement into policy etc.
Bullfrog
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berserker said:
As an aside -- and not directed at you -- I'm always frustrated by this type of statement. It's a wishy-washy way of saying "maybe we're both right?" It's like when they have a climate change expert on TV debating with a someone who once took a high school science class.
bustaheims
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Bill_Berg_is_sad said:
Yup. Google is only reliable as a research tool for more simple topics or if you're already somewhat knowledgeable in a subject matter. Otherwise, you're getting too wide a range in quality, accuracy, etc., to draw meaningful conclusions.
herman
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https://twitter.com/HockeyAgent1/status/1499089120450203654
Russian Hockey doesn't really like it when their talent prefers to ply their trade in North America, so I don't see this performative gesture being anything more than damaging to the athletes in question and fomenting more Cherryesque-xenophobia
Russian Hockey doesn't really like it when their talent prefers to ply their trade in North America, so I don't see this performative gesture being anything more than damaging to the athletes in question and fomenting more Cherryesque-xenophobia
Kin
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I can't speak for Milstein and his thought process or how he feels(It's worth noting that being born in Ukraine during Soviet Times doesn't necessarily mean someone sees themselves as Ukrainian vs. Russian) but I will point out that in both this and the article where he complained about how some of his Clients have been treated he hasn't actually condemned the actions of the Russian state but has made the all too common dodge of "wanting peace" without apportioning blame for anything currently happening. For a guy who does a ton of business in Russia the difference is pretty noticeable.
Kin
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herman said:
This is part of the attempt to make the people of Russia so unhappy and unsatisfied through isolation that the demand for a change in government/policy comes internally. When the other loud alternative being trumpeted is actually trying to enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine and effectively declaring war on Russia and risking nuclear annhilation, I'm ok with exhausting every other measure first.
bustaheims
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Nik said:
Yeah. Gotta go full court press with the pressure campaign before you risk all out war. Even if a direct conflict feels inevitable, you have to at least try everything you can to prevent it.
herman
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Nik said:
I get where they're coming from with these 'sanctions', but in this specific implementation, it is quite literally doing what Russian Hockey prefers; recently they basically stonewalled all CHL Russian juniors from even trying out for the WJC, citing the existing chemistry and familiarity of players who have done tourneys together. Similarly, KHL players who have expressed interest in an NHL opportunity are immediately benched.
Nik said:
My read on this is his livelihood is dependent on relationships, and I would imagine his clientele and future prospects will run the full spectrum of support for Putin. Like Michael Jordan's 'Republicans buy sneakers, too' stance (intended to be glib, but really just saying $$ first). Open anti-regime messaging from Milstein likely means he'll be blackballed. Panarin firing Milstein back in 2019 hits a little different now.