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Zee said:
Sure but you know what I was getting at. I was referring to the previous posts around the possibility fo the Leafs signing Getzlaf and Perry.
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Sure but you know what I was getting at. I was referring to the previous posts around the possibility fo the Leafs signing Getzlaf and Perry.
Corn Flake
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Zee said:
Proving that 2 star players by themselves won't make you a good team.
But is it still good to add players of that ilk? Yep.
Britishbulldog
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Corn Flake said:
I am comparing Perry and Getzlaf to Brad Richards who re-joined a coach he had won a Stanley Cup with. All 3 are top players.
I figure that as a goal scorer Perry's 50 goals was a flash in the pan and 35 - 40 max is more realistic since he has never scored more than 37 his whole career which is around a $6 MIL salary at most but as a UFA will most likely get a MIL more than that. In comparison James Neal signed long term for $5.0 MIL after scoring 40 goals and has 12 goals this year compared to Perry's 5.
I would definitely offer Getzlaf 'Eric Staal' money and go $8 MIL.
Britishbulldog
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Deebo said:
Sorry about my unclearness. I agree with you. I believe that Neal could get easily $7 MIL on the open market without the 'back-diving' contracts of yesteryear.
On the other hand I see Perry as a 35-ish goal scorer who had a fluke year with 50 goals and some think he is a annual 50 + goal scorer. With Kessel, Lupul and JVR on the team I am not sure how quick I would break the bank for another expensive high scoring winger. Especially with Kadri and Frattin emerging as well.
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I'm thinking the most likely scenario besides Getzlaf/Perry both re-signing would be Getzlaf re-signing and Perry going somewhere else. In the latter scenario, Getzlaf re-signs at 7 on the dot and Perry signs for 7.75 maybe?
There might be some sentimentality on Perry's part to sign with Toronto or Ottawa, but who knows? He seems like a really hard guy to read whereas I think there's more of an expectation for Getzlaf to re-sign and retain his captaincy with Anaheim.
If Perry signed in TO there'd no longer be a reason to keep all of Kessel, JVR and Lupul.
There might be some sentimentality on Perry's part to sign with Toronto or Ottawa, but who knows? He seems like a really hard guy to read whereas I think there's more of an expectation for Getzlaf to re-sign and retain his captaincy with Anaheim.
If Perry signed in TO there'd no longer be a reason to keep all of Kessel, JVR and Lupul.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Think also about the potential scenario that Perry very much likes playing with Getzlaf and if Getzlaf re-signs, like is being speculated, it might prompt Perry to decide to stay also. Anaheim is also playing very well, the weather is nice and they have some decent future pieces to another potential cup team, so it's not like it's a bad place to be.
However, Anaheim may not have enough to sign both of them, as has been mentioned, so he could leave.
However, Anaheim may not have enough to sign both of them, as has been mentioned, so he could leave.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Is Liles ever going to play again? 4M for a guy who can produce to sit in the press box while some lesser lights get ice time.
If nothing else, play him a lot, raise his value and then move him for an asset. At least we know that the guys we have playing now can handle the ice time.
I'd imagine some team would give up a decent amount to get him (if he plays and starts to pad his stats that is...).
If nothing else, play him a lot, raise his value and then move him for an asset. At least we know that the guys we have playing now can handle the ice time.
I'd imagine some team would give up a decent amount to get him (if he plays and starts to pad his stats that is...).
Britishbulldog
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
I like the hockey IQ and the way Liles has carried himself off the ice. As I have mentioned each time (sorry about that guys) but he was considered to be a front runner to become captain of the Avs.
I am sure that he would be worth a 1st pick to a playoff team like Nashville or Detroit. Maybe trade Liles to San Jose for Clowe while Clowe's stock is low... then put Clowe with Kadri and Frattin.
Britishbulldog
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I realize that Toronto is still 3 games from the midway point but I am forming opinions on certain players:
At the top 9 at forward,
Kessel - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
JVR - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Frattin - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Kadri - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Grabovski - OTOH,as our highest paid forward, not so much. Grabs skates fast and plays with heart but I still can't justify his salary.
MacArthur - 50/50 in my books offensively and I feel has hockey IQ issues
Kulemin - 50/50 in my books offensively but Kulemin seems solid this year defensively and has a quiet 12 pts already in 21 games. With making less than $3 MIL, I am comfortable with that.
Lupul - had done nothing before being hurt so I can't comment on him but hope that he can pick up where he left off last year.
Bozak - playing solid but not spectacular. He winning faceoffs and throwing hits combined with decent offensive and defensive instincts.
Bottom 3:
McClement - pleasantly surprised by him. Hard worker, ok at faceoffs, GREAT defensively.
Orr - one of the toughest players in the NHL. Doesn't hurt his team playing on the 4th line. Classic sheriff. re-sign at a lower salary until viable replacement. Has to stop staging fights now that he has proved he still has 'it'. Also should never be higher than the 4th line.
McLaren - 6'5". 250 lbs. Appears to have a good attitude. Could be a super heavyweight that can score a few dirty goals a year.
Brown - skates like the wind, loves to hit, offensively challenged, can fight almost anyone in the league. Has to STOP looking for fights!! It ain't real hockey.
Komarov - skates like the wind, loves to hit, offensively challenged, ...sounds like Brown except on 'major' area. I figure I am going to be unpopular/challenged for saying this but with a healthy line up I would sit him over Brown.
Steckel - wow, what a change that a year makes. I don't recognize the player... in a bad way.
Ryan Hamilton - ?? What does this guy need to do to get a crack at the big club. He is big, can score, is a leader, is on a small contract. He should be with Kadri and Frattin right now.
Colborne - I really hope he gets a chance to play a few games before the trade deadline to either prove that he can make the NHL or to showcase him for a trade.
Who is kept? Who is traded? Who is let go?
I would look to move MacArthur while he is scoring for a 1st round pick and let Hamilton take his spot. I would keep Grabovski unless a #1 center is acquired and then re-visit the question of trading or keeping him and his salary.
I will do the dmen when I have a bit more time....
At the top 9 at forward,
Kessel - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
JVR - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Frattin - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Kadri - every time he gets a scoring chance I believe he might score
Grabovski - OTOH,as our highest paid forward, not so much. Grabs skates fast and plays with heart but I still can't justify his salary.
MacArthur - 50/50 in my books offensively and I feel has hockey IQ issues
Kulemin - 50/50 in my books offensively but Kulemin seems solid this year defensively and has a quiet 12 pts already in 21 games. With making less than $3 MIL, I am comfortable with that.
Lupul - had done nothing before being hurt so I can't comment on him but hope that he can pick up where he left off last year.
Bozak - playing solid but not spectacular. He winning faceoffs and throwing hits combined with decent offensive and defensive instincts.
Bottom 3:
McClement - pleasantly surprised by him. Hard worker, ok at faceoffs, GREAT defensively.
Orr - one of the toughest players in the NHL. Doesn't hurt his team playing on the 4th line. Classic sheriff. re-sign at a lower salary until viable replacement. Has to stop staging fights now that he has proved he still has 'it'. Also should never be higher than the 4th line.
McLaren - 6'5". 250 lbs. Appears to have a good attitude. Could be a super heavyweight that can score a few dirty goals a year.
Brown - skates like the wind, loves to hit, offensively challenged, can fight almost anyone in the league. Has to STOP looking for fights!! It ain't real hockey.
Komarov - skates like the wind, loves to hit, offensively challenged, ...sounds like Brown except on 'major' area. I figure I am going to be unpopular/challenged for saying this but with a healthy line up I would sit him over Brown.
Steckel - wow, what a change that a year makes. I don't recognize the player... in a bad way.
Ryan Hamilton - ?? What does this guy need to do to get a crack at the big club. He is big, can score, is a leader, is on a small contract. He should be with Kadri and Frattin right now.
Colborne - I really hope he gets a chance to play a few games before the trade deadline to either prove that he can make the NHL or to showcase him for a trade.
Who is kept? Who is traded? Who is let go?
I would look to move MacArthur while he is scoring for a 1st round pick and let Hamilton take his spot. I would keep Grabovski unless a #1 center is acquired and then re-visit the question of trading or keeping him and his salary.
I will do the dmen when I have a bit more time....
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Britishbulldog said:
Dude...seriously, dude.
Britishbulldog
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caveman said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
See Komarov set up perfectly in the slot and missing the net over and over on the same shift has soured me towards him. Its wierd, I know. It is just the way I am. Hot and cold.
Britishbulldog said:caveman said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
See Komarov set up perfectly in the slot and missing the net over and over on the same shift has soured me towards him. Its wierd, I know. It is just the way I am. Hot and cold.
But it does look to me like Komarov has quite a bit more offensive talent than Brown when it comes to stick handling, passing and maintaining puck possession in the ozone.
L K
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Britishbulldog said:caveman said:WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
See Komarov set up perfectly in the slot and missing the net over and over on the same shift has soured me towards him. Its wierd, I know. It is just the way I am. Hot and cold.
The difference between Brown and Komarov even in those instances is that Komarov at least gets in position for those plays in the slot. Brown fumbles the puck on open plays up the ice on the other hand.
OldTimeHockey
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I love what Komarov brings to the table. He may have stone hands, but he makes things happen on the ice for the other two players he's with, which is great for Kadri and MacArthur.
Zee
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princedpw said:
It's a nice little issue to have. Heard Loiselle on the radio this morning saying Frattin might be back on Monday or the next game. Leafs could start a little roll here, 3 days off, feeling good after the win and no excuses about being tired when they start on Monday.
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