Waived: Colton Orr

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Whatever happens I hope he gets his pension.

 

[L K]

2 more spots will have to open up -- Frattin, Kadri, Boyce, Crabb and Rosehill would be the possibilities to go down IMO.

My guesses would be Boyce and Crabb, unless Burke has a trade lined up already, in which case, Kadri and/or Frattin would go down temporarily, since they won't have to pass through waivers.

Is Holzer still up? 

 

[ZBBM]

Yup, I like the guy. A good, honest, hard working tough guy who knew his role. Hope he has his health, and I hope if he makes it down to the minors he gets a chance to play a bit and maybe pick up a few points rather than have to play the same role exclusively down there.

He could be an excellent guy to have on the Marlies.

I agree with all of the above.  Well said.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Dunno if it was mentioned, Leafs intend to send Colton to Marlies if he clears.

 

[Corn Flake]

Burke waiving his enforcer... to me is about as telltale a sign that the days of the enforcer are coming to an end if there ever was one.

 

[Zee]

Burke waiving his enforcer... to me is about as telltale a sign that the days of the enforcer are coming to an end if there ever was one.

Yup, considering how Burke trumpeted the move of signing him because the Leafs were getting "pushed around" too much.

 

[bustaheims]

Is Holzer still up?

Yeah, but, he goes back to the Marlies when Komisarek or Liles are activated from the IR.

 

[maplesyrup]

Whatever happens I hope he gets his pension.

It's my understanding you need 500 GP for a pension (or, at least you did.) Orr has 378 but perhaps the pension agreement also includes games on IR. 

 

[bustaheims]

It's my understanding you need 500 GP for a pension (or, at least you did.) Orr has 378 but perhaps the pension agreement also includes games on IR.

I'm almost certain it's 400, and, I have to imagine it 400 games on the roster rather than 400 games played. Pensions generally kick in for time served/paid rather than amount of work done.

 

[L K]

Burke waiving his enforcer... to me is about as telltale a sign that the days of the enforcer are coming to an end if there ever was one.

Yup, considering how Burke trumpeted the move of signing him because the Leafs were getting "pushed around" too much.

I think Orr's health has more to do with it (in general) but yeah, the fact that Burke didn't go out and sign one to make up for it is telling.  I still think you need guys who can drop the gloves in the bottom 6, but they need to be guys who can chip in 7-10 goals too.

 

[Deebo]

Burke waiving his enforcer... to me is about as telltale a sign that the days of the enforcer are coming to an end if there ever was one.

Yup, considering how Burke trumpeted the move of signing him because the Leafs were getting "pushed around" too much.

I think Orr's health has more to do with it (in general) but yeah, the fact that Burke didn't go out and sign one to make up for it is telling.  I still think you need guys who can drop the gloves in the bottom 6, but they need to be guys who can chip in 7-10 goals too.

Or at least 7-10 minutes

 

[maplesyrup]

It's my understanding you need 500 GP for a pension (or, at least you did.) Orr has 378 but perhaps the pension agreement also includes games on IR.

I'm almost certain it's 400, and, I have to imagine it 400 games on the roster rather than 400 games played. Pensions generally kick in for time served/paid rather than amount of work done.

Yeah, I agree... It must be games on the roster... 400/500 though? I really don't know... I swear I read 500 somewhere.  :-\

 

[Deebo]

It's my understanding you need 500 GP for a pension (or, at least you did.) Orr has 378 but perhaps the pension agreement also includes games on IR.

I'm almost certain it's 400, and, I have to imagine it 400 games on the roster rather than 400 games played. Pensions generally kick in for time served/paid rather than amount of work done.

Yeah, I agree... It must be games on the roster... 400/500 though? I really don't know... I swear I read 500 somewhere.  :-\

Looks like it is games played:

21.2.    Basic Plan Benefits.

(a) Each player entitled to a full credited year of service
for the 1993/94 playing season and thereafter shall have
allocated and credited to an account established in his name, for
his sole benefit, the following:

(i) for players who have received credit for less than 400 games played, the amount of $8,000 CDN per year;
and

(ii) for players who have received credit for 400 games played or more, the amount of $12,500 CDN per year.

 

[maplesyrup]

Wow!... Crappy pension... Mine kicks it's ass. I don't feel bad for them though with their salaries... Also, I need to work close to 30 years to collect mine.

 

[louisstamos]

I have to agree with the sentiment that Orr's usefulness has passed; that being said, his bouts with Carkner will be forever in my memory.  I can't be the only one that went nuts when he did this.

 

[Deebo]

Never mind, that seems to be from the previous CBA.

 

[maplesyrup]

Never mind, that seems to be from the previous CBA.

Maybe it is 500 now with a better pay-out?

 

[Corn Flake]

Burke waiving his enforcer... to me is about as telltale a sign that the days of the enforcer are coming to an end if there ever was one.

Yup, considering how Burke trumpeted the move of signing him because the Leafs were getting "pushed around" too much.

I think Orr's health has more to do with it (in general) but yeah, the fact that Burke didn't go out and sign one to make up for it is telling.  I still think you need guys who can drop the gloves in the bottom 6, but they need to be guys who can chip in 7-10 goals too.

I would have assumed if health was the issue he would be on LTIR where they could have stashed him and the cap hit long ago. 

I think its just a sign of the times and good to see Burke recognize it (again). I can't think of more than a handful of teams the Leafs have played this year where having a guy of his skillset was needed.  Basically, only Boston comes to mind. 

Rosehill can suffice as a punching bag when needed, which will be fairly infrequent.  There are others on the team who will scrap - as we saw last night - but trouble is when its your d-men you don't want them off for 5 mins, especially a Phaneuf type.  Will help to have Brown back in that area too.

Anyway, I think this team needs to be more physical up front but not in a fighting way. 

 

[Zee]

I have to agree with the sentiment that Orr's usefulness has passed; that being said, his bouts with Carkner will be forever in my memory.  I can't be the only one that went nuts when he did this.

Carkner had no idea where he was at the end.  Right in front of the Ottawa bench too, you can feel their players cringe when they saw that.

 

[Corn Flake]

I have to agree with the sentiment that Orr's usefulness has passed; that being said, his bouts with Carkner will be forever in my memory.  I can't be the only one that went nuts when he did this.

A forever classic.