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WHOA - Mike Babcock OUT | Sheldon Keefe IN

Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
herman said:
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/11/24/tulloch-why-the-leafs-needed-to-fire-mike-babcock/
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only current player who's played for Babs and spoken publicly is Nazem Kadri.  The one who this Tulloch guy says was trashed by Babcock and who, by reasonable inference, would have been among the unnamed players who were "furious," according to him.  Kadri, who would have no particular reason to offer a glowing statement on his former coach. 

But he did.  How does that square with this article?
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I think you can be pissed at someone and move on from something. Kadri turned his overall game around under Babcock and became a much better player. I think that one thing would be small potatoes compared to how he improved his game.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
herman said:
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/11/24/tulloch-why-the-leafs-needed-to-fire-mike-babcock/
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only current player who's played for Babs and spoken publicly is Nazem Kadri.  The one who this Tulloch guy says was trashed by Babcock and who, by reasonable inference, would have been among the unnamed players who were "furious," according to him.  Kadri, who would have no particular reason to offer a glowing statement on his former coach. 

But he did.  How does that square with this article?
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Kadri seemed to be a confused kid at the time that Babcock, as father figure stepped in with the tough love that he needed at the time. People don't forget those that step in and help them "grow" up.  Also Kadri was and is Babcock's type of player so much praise was probably coming his way. 
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
herman said:
https://theleafsnation.com/2019/11/24/tulloch-why-the-leafs-needed-to-fire-mike-babcock/
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only current player who's played for Babs and spoken publicly is Nazem Kadri.  The one who this Tulloch guy says was trashed by Babcock and who, by reasonable inference, would have been among the unnamed players who were "furious," according to him.  Kadri, who would have no particular reason to offer a glowing statement on his former coach. 

But he did.  How does that square with this article?
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Not sure where you?re headed with this line of questioning

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1199040424004014081
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1199040734575374336
 
I also don't think Kadri saying "I think Babs is a great coach" really vindicates him in any way. If you asked Marner that he'd say the same thing. If you asked any of the current Leafs (apparently 90% of whom were happy he was fired) that they'd say the same thing. It really isn't until your playing career is over that you can really speak freely about this sort of stuff.
 
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1199046130526511110
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1199046185945903106

The rehabilitation tour begins. Friedman edges out Dreger by seconds.
 
Anyone wonder why Marner asked for every dollar possible? Same goes for Matthews and Nylander. It sure didn't help matters did it? Credit to Marner, his family and the rest of the players that never mentioned this. Marner sure could have used this when he was getting shelled in the media over negotiations last summer.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I also don't think Kadri saying "I think Babs is a great coach" really vindicates him in any way. If you asked Marner that he'd say the same thing. If you asked any of the current Leafs (apparently 90% of whom were happy he was fired) that they'd say the same thing. It really isn't until your playing career is over that you can really speak freely about this sort of stuff.
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Really?
 
Guilt Trip said:
Anyone wonder why Marner asked for every dollar possible? Same goes for Matthews and Nylander. It sure didn't help matters did it? Credit to Marner, his family and the rest of the players that never mentioned this. Marner sure could have used this when he was getting shelled in the media over negotiations last summer.
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I get wanting to justify the contracts, but I'm not buying it. 
 
Peter D. said:
Guilt Trip said:
Anyone wonder why Marner asked for every dollar possible? Same goes for Matthews and Nylander. It sure didn't help matters did it? Credit to Marner, his family and the rest of the players that never mentioned this. Marner sure could have used this when he was getting shelled in the media over negotiations last summer.
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I get wanting to justify the contracts, but I'm not buying it. 
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Not trying to justify the contracts, just makes you wonder why, especially the Marner group, played hardball.
 
Guilt Trip said:
Not trying to justify the contracts, just makes you wonder why, especially the Marner group, played hardball.
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Strictly my personal opinion on it, but I think it had a lot to do with wanting to be paid similar to Matthews and very little (or nothing) to do with this Babcock situation.
 
O Dog on Overdrive just said he talked to ex NHLers and they all said, he works hard, likes to win and all that stuff but he's the worst human being around. Every guy he talked to said he's a bad person.
 
Guilt Trip said:
O Dog on Overdrive just said he talked to ex NHLers and they all said, he works hard, likes to win and all that stuff but he's the worst human being around. Every guy he talked to said he's a bad person.
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Funny how all these people their knives out once he's been fired, but not a peep out of them while he's in a position of importance.  I'm impressed.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Guilt Trip said:
O Dog on Overdrive just said he talked to ex NHLers and they all said, he works hard, likes to win and all that stuff but he's the worst human being around. Every guy he talked to said he's a bad person.
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Funny how all these people their knives out once he's been fired, but not a peep out of them while he's in a position of importance.  I'm impressed.
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I recall Commodore peeping quite a bit.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Guilt Trip said:
O Dog on Overdrive just said he talked to ex NHLers and they all said, he works hard, likes to win and all that stuff but he's the worst human being around. Every guy he talked to said he's a bad person.
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Funny how all these people their knives out once he's been fired, but not a peep out of them while he's in a position of importance.  I'm impressed.
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Active players don't come out against their coach. What players are you referring to?
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Guilt Trip said:
O Dog on Overdrive just said he talked to ex NHLers and they all said, he works hard, likes to win and all that stuff but he's the worst human being around. Every guy he talked to said he's a bad person.
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Funny how all these people their knives out once he's been fired, but not a peep out of them while he's in a position of importance.  I'm impressed.
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First, this isn't really true. There have been questions about Babcock's relationship with certain players forever.

Second, I don't really get why it's surprising that players or ex-players wouldn't criticize an active coach. The NHL is a small community. You don't really want to be interfering with the ongoing operations of a team.

There are now a lot of clearly-documented incidents/accounts of Babcock's issues. This isn't a he said, she said thing. It's nice that Kadri said that he liked his former coach, but that in no way impacts the approximately 90% of the players who thought he was a prick.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
He said something quite positive.  Did he have to do that?
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I mean, yeah kinda. Look, I don't know what Kadri thinks of Babcock. But Naz has 10 years of experience dealing with the Toronto media. He's smart enough to know that if he said anything less than positive it would have been spun into "Kadri hated Babcock" headlines or whatever.

But I don't really get what opinion you're trying to express here. You think Kadri calling Babcock a "great coach" means that what Tulloch reported isn't true? Even if we 100% take Kadri at his word there, he can still think Babs was a dick for pulling that stunt on Marner.
 
What a bizarre story. Only heard about it this afternoon. There?s something to be said for not treating people like crap and thinking that the ends justify the means. Babcock probably thinks winning trumps all and if you have to treat people like crap along the way it?s all good.
 
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