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2011-2012 NHL Thread

NYP_BrooksieLarry Brooks
Beyond me how anyone could endorse fighting in NHL (or hockey) in aftermath of John Branch's landmark work in Times on Boogaard.


I completely agree. I like UFC. I love the fighting. I love the skill of the fight and sometimes I just love a good knock out. But this is a sport where fighting is what you sign up for from the start. It is sanctioned and you fight someone of equal weight and similar skill/compotency. If you get hit hard and go down you land on a mat, not rock hard ice.

In the NHL there is this "code of honour" nonsense that guys like Cherry talk about. Guys who don't want to fight feel that they have to and they are pressured into it (either directly or indirectly). Guys often end up fighting someone much bigger, much stronger and much more skilled at fighting. Hands are broken and heads get rattled - none harder than when they fall and hit the ice.

I love fighting, but when I watch hockey I would prefer to watch hockey. Last nights Leafs/Rags game would have been just as exciting without the fight.

I believe that within 5 years fighting will be out of the game and that a few years after that people will look back and won't even be able to imagine it anymore because it will seem that stupid and that out of place. Until that day comes, hopefully there will not be any more Boogard stories.
 
I was having this discussion with a buddy at work today.

He said a difference of .027 SV% isn't that big of a difference.  I said it's a world of difference (citing that being the difference between Tim Thomas and Devan Dubnyk today).

How else can I argue this? 
 
Erndog said:
I was having this discussion with a buddy at work today.

He said a difference of .027 SV% isn't that big of a difference.  I said it's a world of difference (citing that being the difference between Tim Thomas and Devan Dubnyk today).

How else can I argue this?

... ask him for .027% of his annual salary?
 
Erndog said:
I was having this discussion with a buddy at work today.

He said a difference of .027 SV% isn't that big of a difference.  I said it's a world of difference (citing that being the difference between Tim Thomas and Devan Dubnyk today).

How else can I argue this?

Argue it this way:  If a goalie has a save percentage of .927, he lets in 73 goals on every 1000 shots.  If a goalie has a save percentage of .900, he lets in 100 goals on every 1000 shots.  The .900 goalie lets in (100/73 =) 37% more goals than the .927 goalie.  That's an immense difference.  If that illustration doesn't sink in, nothing will, and your co-worker is an absolute moron.
 
Erndog said:
I was having this discussion with a buddy at work today.

He said a difference of .027 SV% isn't that big of a difference.  I said it's a world of difference (citing that being the difference between Tim Thomas and Devan Dubnyk today).

How else can I argue this?

Dubnyk 294 shots .905 saved allowed 28GA
Dubnyk 294 shots .940 saved allows  17.6GA (using Thomas save%)

Dubnyk would allow about 1 goal less per game over the 10 games he's played if his save% was like Thomas.

Thomas 529 shots .940 saved allowed 32GA
Thomas 529 shots .905 saved allowed 50.xGA (using Dubnyk save%)

Thomas would allow about one goal more per game if his save% was like Dubnyk.

Over the course of a season, that's about 82 goals

You get the idea.
 
Erndog said:
I was having this discussion with a buddy at work today.

He said a difference of .027 SV% isn't that big of a difference.  I said it's a world of difference (citing that being the difference between Tim Thomas and Devan Dubnyk today).

How else can I argue this?

Last year the Canucks' goalies faced 2467 shots. If their goalies had posted a .927 save percentage, they would have allowed 180 goals. If their goalies had posted a .900 save percentage, they would have allowed 247 goals. That difference is the difference between being the #1 team in goals allowed and the #27 team.

I mean, short of that, I guess you could try explaining the concept of math to him or the idea that giving up goals is a bad thing.
 
If anybody was watching their twitter timeline a few hours ago I'm sure you'll have heard about the Ryan Lambert radio interview earlier today. If not, you guys should still give it a listen:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Listen-to-the-Ryan-Lambert-vs-John-Steigerwald-?urn=nhl-wp19141
 
CarltonTheBear said:
If anybody was watching their twitter timeline a few hours ago I'm sure you'll have heard about the Ryan Lambert radio interview earlier today. If not, you guys should still give it a listen:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Listen-to-the-Ryan-Lambert-vs-John-Steigerwald-?urn=nhl-wp19141

Wish I could get some of those minutes back ...  :(

Enjoyed the counter claim that "Sidney Crosby is a vampire!"  :)
 
I particularly like the argument surrounding Ovechkin's mother being a Russian athlete in the '70s.

And how the guy acts like if you weren't in your adulthood in the past that you can't know about things in the past.
 
Fanatic said:
Seguin scratched for not making the team breakfast this morning in Winnipeg

If he was on the Leafs we'd be hearing about 'attitude issues' for the next month. But he's a Toronto media golden boy so nothing negative will be heard.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
If anybody was watching their twitter timeline a few hours ago I'm sure you'll have heard about the Ryan Lambert radio interview earlier today. If not, you guys should still give it a listen:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Listen-to-the-Ryan-Lambert-vs-John-Steigerwald-?urn=nhl-wp19141

I tried listening to it, but gave up - it was so awful, geeze. And I thought our media here was bad.....yikes.
 
Hockey_gal said:
Fanatic said:
Seguin scratched for not making the team breakfast this morning in Winnipeg

He said his clock was set for Boston time....would that not make him earlier in the Peg?

Heheh, you're right.  If his clock was still set for Boston time, he'd be up an hour early.

What an awful liar.
 
Sucker Punch said:
Hockey_gal said:
Fanatic said:
Seguin scratched for not making the team breakfast this morning in Winnipeg

He said his clock was set for Boston time....would that not make him earlier in the Peg?

Heheh, you're right.  If his clock was still set for Boston time, he'd be up an hour early.

What an awful liar.

So we running with "Tyler Sleepin" for the Boston Herald article tomorrow?

http://www.nesn.com/2011/12/tyler-seguin-scratched-from-bruins-lineup-against-winnipeg-after-missing-team-breakfast.html

Chiarelli also revealed that this isn't the first time Seguin has missed a meeting, but the GM made it clear that he's not concerned and doesn't think it's a problem.

"He's had a couple of incidents before over the course of his career," Chiarelli said. "I don't see it as a problem. I see it as a young player who sometimes forgets to set his alarm. So that's why he's a scratch."

Seguin wasn't thrilled about the decision, but he understood.

"Not good," Chiarelli said when asked about the second-year player's reaction to the disciplinary decision. "But he understands that are team rules and everyone plays by the team rules. We gave him a couple of passes. ... He's a young kid who's learning to be a pro, and he's a heck of a player."
 
Sucker Punch said:
Hockey_gal said:
Fanatic said:
Seguin scratched for not making the team breakfast this morning in Winnipeg

He said his clock was set for Boston time....would that not make him earlier in the Peg?

Heheh, you're right.  If his clock was still set for Boston time, he'd be up an hour early.

What an awful liar.

Scratch him another game for lying!
 
Heroic Shrimp said:
Sucker Punch said:
Hockey_gal said:
Fanatic said:
Seguin scratched for not making the team breakfast this morning in Winnipeg

He said his clock was set for Boston time....would that not make him earlier in the Peg?

Heheh, you're right.  If his clock was still set for Boston time, he'd be up an hour early.

What an awful liar.

Scratch him another game for lying!

Cox should be all over this. Someone lied.
 
Blue Jackets hire Craig Patrick as senior advisor
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=605259&print=true

Is Patrick to Howson like Fletcher was to JFJ? A potential interim GM?
 

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