2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Arn]

I guess the question is whether Babcock's Right Way is what will succeed in the playoffs or whether Dubas Unshackled is where to lay your chips.

Indeed, but had Babcock stayed in place I have a feeling we may not have had a playoffs to test his hypothesis out in whereas it looks more likely we?ll get to test Keefes way out

 

[bustaheims]

Seriously, we are on to having a pretty fair sample size and it does indeed look like there is a genuine Keefe Effect.

My favourite part about it all is that, outside of the PP efficiency, it doesn't looks like they've been riding a completely unsustainable trend. Their 5-on-5 shooting and save percentages under Keefe are very much in line with the rates they put up over the last couple seasons.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Seriously, we are on to having a pretty fair sample size and it does indeed look like there is a genuine Keefe Effect.

My favourite part about it all is that, outside of the PP efficiency, it doesn't looks like they've been riding a completely unsustainable trend. Their 5-on-5 shooting and save percentages under Keefe are very much in line with the rates they put up over the last couple seasons.

If the Leafs finish top-5 or so in the league (currently 8th, 10th in points percentage) I could see him even being a Jack Adams nominee.

 

[Zee]

Seriously, we are on to having a pretty fair sample size and it does indeed look like there is a genuine Keefe Effect.

My favourite part about it all is that, outside of the PP efficiency, it doesn't looks like they've been riding a completely unsustainable trend. Their 5-on-5 shooting and save percentages under Keefe are very much in line with the rates they put up over the last couple seasons.

If the Leafs finish top-5 or so in the league (currently 8th, 10th in points percentage) I could see him even being a Jack Adams nominee.

100%

If they continue winning at such a good clip and get over 100 points after that garbage start he'll be a serious contender for coach of the year

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1213218747617566720
Poignant, timely analysis as usual

 

[dappleganger]

https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1213218747617566720
Poignant, timely analysis as usual

The returns for Nylander, Matthews, Marner, and Taveres will be astronomical. Let?s get the rebuild started!!!

 

[Zee]

Oilers should sell high on McDavid

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau, Bailey, Nylander.

What do all these guys have in common?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau, Bailey, Nylander.

What do all these guys have in common?

Add Marner. Career years playing with JT.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau, Bailey, Nylander.

What do all these guys have in common?

Nylander's played 3 games with Tavares this season. You can't possibly be trying to suggest that he owes his success this season to JT, right? Because boy that'd be dumb. I'm sure that's not what you meant though. So I'll guess the thing they have in common is they all like scrabble.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau, Bailey, Nylander.

What do all these guys have in common?

Nylander's played 3 games with Tavares this season. You can't possibly be trying to suggest that he owes his success this season to JT, right? Because boy that'd be dumb. I'm sure that's not what you meant though. So I'll guess the thing they have in common is they all like scrabble.

Easy, there.

I think you and I have a different idea of what constitutes "success". He's had a fairly average season up until the last three games, going through long stretches of games in December without any points, being benched, and it's recency bias that's elevating all of his press.

I think there's always going to be puck luck that drives short term results above and below the average, but there's plenty of history to show that Tavares has made a career out of making good players look like very good players. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think you and I have a different idea of what constitutes "success". He's had a fairly average season up until the last three games, going through long stretches of games in December without any points, being benched, and it's recency bias that's elevating all of his press.

Even prior to the 4 games with Tavares (I said 3 originally, it's actually 4) he was still on pace to smash his career high in goals and was actually scoring at a higher rate per game at 5-on-5 than Tavares was. If anything Willy's bolstered his play in the past few games, and JT has actually whiffed on a number of high quality scoring chances that Nylander set him up on.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I think you and I have a different idea of what constitutes "success". He's had a fairly average season up until the last three games, going through long stretches of games in December without any points, being benched, and it's recency bias that's elevating all of his press.

Even prior to the 4 games with Tavares (I said 3 originally, it's actually 4) he was still on pace to smash his career high in goals and was actually scoring at a higher rate per game at 5-on-5 than Tavares was. If anything Willy's bolstered his play in the past few games, and JT has actually whiffed on a number of high quality scoring chances that Nylander set him up on.

1) I'm not sure that "smashing a career high" in goals is all that meaningful when the prior high is 20. For 7M, I'd expect continual growth.

2) I'll bet that if Nylander had broken his thumb instead of Tavares, you'd be less impressed with those 5 on 5 comparables. These injury effects don't just disappear overnight.

Nylander is a good player. It's great for leaf fans that he's having a nice run of late, because it's been over a calendar year in coming. But the hyperbole is just unbelievable to me. There's many players around the league that bring results relative to his.

 

[Bullfrog]

Poignant, timely analysis as usual

My initial reaction was anger at how stupid that suggestion was. But, after reading the article with an open mind, I have to admit the author's conclusion is persuasive. Everyone should read the article.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/team_keefe/status/1213278001930080256

Thanks to Tavares!

 

[bustaheims]

Moulson, Okposo, Parenteau, Bailey, Nylander.

What do all these guys have in common?

Only Moulson saw his goal scoring ability drop off virtually immediately after no longer playing on the same team as Tavares. The others all still scored at a similar rate, but saw their assist totals drop - which isn?t really an indicator of their individual talents, but the lack of talent on the teams they all ended up with.

 

[herman]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-sheldon-keefe-toronto-maple-leafs-dubas-nylander/

2. Upon the conclusion of the Maple Leafs? Dec. 27 overtime win at the Prudential Center, a cluster of reporters was biding an abnormal amount of time outside the visitors? dressing room hoping to speak with winning-goal scorer William Nylander (even if it was Damon Severson who actually shot the puck in).

Dubas was a little surprised to see media types lingering so long. So on his way (we?d later learn) to visit injured Ilya Mikheyev at the hospital, Dubas wondered what we were doing.

Waiting for Nylander.

?Ah? I?ve waited for him before too,? Dubas quipped, not missing a beat.

As the exec exited the rink, he made a point to add, ?He?s worth it.?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1213659797226176512

6 points behind Boston now. And the Leafs are actually tied with them in wins and just one ROW behind.

 

[hockeyfan1]

https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1213659797226176512

6 points behind Boston now. And the Leafs are actually tied with them in wins and just one ROW behind.

Within reach of first (Boston) is attainable.  At least for the time being.

 

[Zee]

Bieber is becoming the Leafs version of Drake