2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion

[Guilt Trip]

I should add that I dont see Goat on the Leafs next year nor Holl on D. I fully expect to see Lilypad on the Leafs.

Please don't use Lilypad. It's terrible.

It's a nickname and so is Lily. Saw an 20 questions thing with him.

 

[hockeyfan1]

  I,m wondering if the Leafs have to part with some major pieces.I can,t see this working out to a serious cup contender as it appears right now.

For example if Marner gets a big offer from another club.Maybe they have to get their 4 first rounders and move on.Use that room to get some defence and a cheaper wingers.  Without him they would still have their 3 main centers to build the team around.

How about if one of the teams doing the offer-sheeting happens to be this one:

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/hickey-on-hockey-5

 

[Zee]

  I,m wondering if the Leafs have to part with some major pieces.I can,t see this working out to a serious cup contender as it appears right now.

For example if Marner gets a big offer from another club.Maybe they have to get their 4 first rounders and move on.Use that room to get some defence and a cheaper wingers.  Without him they would still have their 3 main centers to build the team around.

How about if one od the teams doing the offer-sheeting happens to be this one:

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/hickey-on-hockey-5

If Hickey thinks the Leafs would let Marner walk for anything less than 4 first round picks he's smoking some bad stuff

 

[Bates]

  I,m wondering if the Leafs have to part with some major pieces.I can,t see this working out to a serious cup contender as it appears right now.

For example if Marner gets a big offer from another club.Maybe they have to get their 4 first rounders and move on.Use that room to get some defence and a cheaper wingers.  Without him they would still have their 3 main centers to build the team around.

How about if one od the teams doing the offer-sheeting happens to be this one:

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/hickey-on-hockey-5

Marner is going to sign a deal for less than his rumoured ask from the Leafs?? Yeah go ahead and do Dubas's work if you want.

 

[Bullfrog]

There is one long-term, big-money deal that is worth pursuing and that involves an offer sheet for Mitch Marner, who is the Toronto?s Maple Leafs? best player.

It's just not a good article.

 

[Andy007]

There is one long-term, big-money deal that is worth pursuing and that involves an offer sheet for Mitch Marner, who is the Toronto?s Maple Leafs? best player.

It's just not a good article.

I'm not sure in what world the Leafs wouldn't match a max offer of 10.56 million. Yea, this is a pretty brutal read.

 

[Guilt Trip]

There is one long-term, big-money deal that is worth pursuing and that involves an offer sheet for Mitch Marner, who is the Toronto?s Maple Leafs? best player.

It's just not a good article.

I'm not sure in what world the Leafs wouldn't match a max offer of 10.56 million. Yea, this is a pretty brutal read.

First of all, he isn't our best player and like mentioned Leafs would match. There's no way in hell Mitch is going to the Habs for anything less then Matthews money so if the Habs want him it will cost 4 firsts. Terrible article.

 

[Highlander]

Bit of a game of chicken going on, Marner does not deserve Matthews numbers, wants to be a Leaf for Life (big assumption).
Dubas knows this and can negotiate harder, so the offer sheet is the unknown factor.  Can't let one player hijack your budget. No one man is above the team.
I'd take the offer sheet and let Mitch play in some second tier market (or Montreal) and we will take the 4 first rounders.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Bit of a game of chicken going on, Marner does not deserve Matthews numbers, wants to be a Leaf for Life (big assumption).
Dubas knows this and can negotiate harder, so the offer sheet is the unknown factor.  Can't let one player hijack your budget. No one man is above the team.
I'd take the offer sheet and let Mitch play in some second tier market (or Montreal) and we will take the 4 first rounders.

Absolutely. I mentioned before what Button said. You offer him what you think is fair, say 9.5 or whatever number it is. You tell him you'd love to have him, he's the guy you want  and all that stuff but this is all you can afford to pay. You also give him a deadline so they can move forward. You then say we will explore a replacement for you come that time, we will move on regrettably. If he wants more money or has an offer sheet at a number you can't do, you wish him well and take the picks. You then use that money potentially on a UFA like Skinner, Panarin if that's who you want. He definitely explained it better then I can.
Leafs hold all the cards here. I don't see a repeat of the Nylander fiasco.

 

[Bullfrog]

The Leafs don't hold all the cards here. Marner is the one with the talent. While the Leafs offer term and money, he offers elite level playmaking abilities. It'll be a tough negotiation.

either way, I can't come up with a scenario where the Leafs don't match, which means Marner's got some control here. On the other hand and in a cost-controlled league, it'd be hard for any GM to give up four 1st round picks unless they had a solid plan for recouping a couple of them from other trades. I don't see any offer coming in less than the $10.56M (equivalent) that would entice Marner.

If he's offered $9.5M over 5 years, the Leafs match instantly. If he's offered $10M over 7 years, the leafs would match (for compensation, that would be equivalent to $14M AAV, so four first rounders).

I'm confident the chances of an offer sheet are next to zero; the chances of Marner signing an offer sheet are zero; and the chances he's a Leaf for the foreseeable future are close to 100%. I also think it gets done before June 26

 

[Kin]

If Marner signs an offer sheet not only do the Leafs almost certainly get worse for next year but any chance they have of even approaching being as good as they'd be with Marner relies on them somehow getting a really good deal via free agency which doesn't happen often.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Waited so long for the Leafs to have some really good players, now we are going to nickel and dime them and give them away for some who knows what?  There are other mistakes on the roster that are eating up cap space and are the boat anchors, not Mitch Marner.  Play hardball with the replaceable players, not Mitch Marner.  Where are you going to find another Mitch Marner?  What's it going to cost to acquire him?

 

[hockeyfan1]

Waited so long for the Leafs to have some really good players, now we are going to nickel and dime them and give them away for some who knows what?  There are other mistakes on the roster that are eating up cap space and are the boat anchors, not Mitch Marner.  Play hardball with the replaceable players, not Mitch Marner.  Where are you going to find another Mitch Marner?  What's it going to cost to acquire him?

I agree totally and would never want Marner to leave the Leafs.  He?s one of our best if not the best playmaker, and he is flexible ?can be used with Tavares or Matthews.  How in heavens name the Leafs would want to lose him is beyond anyone?s guess.  The truth is they don?t.

Signing him up will by no means be easy but they?re just going to have to find other leaner ways and means to improve the team on one end and make room for their better players to continue to be a part of the whole process.

I have faith in Kyle Dubas to find the way.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Waited so long for the Leafs to have some really good players, now we are going to nickel and dime them and give them away for some who knows what?  There are other mistakes on the roster that are eating up cap space and are the boat anchors, not Mitch Marner.  Play hardball with the replaceable players, not Mitch Marner.  Where are you going to find another Mitch Marner?  What's it going to cost to acquire him?

From what we've heard, which admittedly isn't much and has to be taken with the grain of salt, the Leafs aren't trying to hardball or nickle and dime him. They want to pay him market value which is below $10mil based on a lot of other contracts. Marner wants more than that.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Waited so long for the Leafs to have some really good players, now we are going to nickel and dime them and give them away for some who knows what?  There are other mistakes on the roster that are eating up cap space and are the boat anchors, not Mitch Marner.  Play hardball with the replaceable players, not Mitch Marner.  Where are you going to find another Mitch Marner?  What's it going to cost to acquire him?

From what we've heard, which admittedly isn't much and has to be taken with the grain of salt, the Leafs aren't trying to hardball or nickle and dime him. They want to pay him market value which is below $10mil based on a lot of other contracts. Marner wants more than that.

So say Montreal offers $11M x 7 years, should the Leafs let him walk?  Of course Marner would be over payed at $11M, but my point is I'd rather Mitch get overpaid than say, Nikita Zaitsev. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

Waited so long for the Leafs to have some really good players, now we are going to nickel and dime them and give them away for some who knows what?  There are other mistakes on the roster that are eating up cap space and are the boat anchors, not Mitch Marner.  Play hardball with the replaceable players, not Mitch Marner.  Where are you going to find another Mitch Marner?  What's it going to cost to acquire him?

From what we've heard, which admittedly isn't much and has to be taken with the grain of salt, the Leafs aren't trying to hardball or nickle and dime him. They want to pay him market value which is below $10mil based on a lot of other contracts. Marner wants more than that.

So say Montreal offers $11M x 7 years, should the Leafs let him walk?  Of course Marner would be over payed at $11M, but my point is I'd rather Mitch get overpaid than say, Nikita Zaitsev. 

It will depend on what the back up plan is. If they know/think they can sign a Panarin or Skinner type player, then they might let him walk and take the 4 1sts. Say the Leafs set an in house cap for him at 9.5 mill, that extra 1.5 may cost another player like a Kappy or Johnsson. So signing Marner for more then what you can/want, may cost you another player you want to keep. It's something I'm sure Dubas and company have gone over many times. There's only so much money to go around. 1.5 mill doesn't sound like a lot but being in a cap crunch like the Leafs are, every dollar counts.
I don't see the Leafs giving him 11. I can see an 80 mill 8 year deal tho.

 

[Kin]

I feel like we just went over this with Nylander but "market value" has a real meaning and RFA negotiations don't even come close to expressing what that is. This whole conversation is based on the idea that someone out there may be willing to offer sheet him at a price the Leafs aren't willing to match but somehow they're interested in his market value?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Offer sheets are usually over market value. Marner isn't leaving for market value, he needs an offer to blow his mind before he even thinks about signing one.

 

[ZBBM]

Offer-sheet journalism almost always focuses on superstars because that's what gets pulse rates up.  But they almost never work because teams do pretty much whatever it takes to hold on to their very best players.  In that otherwise idiotic Mtl Gazette article the one thing that made some sense was his suggestion of an offer sheet to Kapanen.  For a team hard up against it like us this coming year, we're vulnerable to having Mango or Kappy poached.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Offer-sheet journalism almost always focuses on superstars because that's what gets pulse rates up.  But they almost never work because teams do pretty much whatever it takes to hold on to their very best players.  In that otherwise idiotic Mtl Gazette article the one thing that made some sense was his suggestion of an offer sheet to Kapanen.  For a team hard up against it like us this coming year, we're vulnerable to having Mango or Kappy poached.

Definitely. It's going to be interesting in a month or so.