2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
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bustaheims
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Bullfrog said:
We surrender our will, as of this date.
hockeyfan1
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You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy...
...er, the hair I mean. 
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/
...er, the hair I mean. https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/
Zee
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hockeyfan1 said:You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy......er, the hair I mean.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/
That cross he's wearing is nice.
So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario.
I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:
Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total $13,663,333
They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.
The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen. If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen. So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry. That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space. That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.
Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated? Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?
I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:
Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total $13,663,333
They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.
The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen. If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen. So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry. That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space. That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.
Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated? Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?
louisstamos
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hockeyfan1 said:You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy......er, the hair I mean.
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/
All I can think of when I see that is James Franco's character in Spring Breakers...
Guilt Trip
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Hyman and Dermott are full value btw. If they sign Gards and Marner as you say for 13.5 mill then all is fine and dandy until they come off LTIR, especially Hyman. Neither can play until they clear enough space (their daily contract values) for them when they come off LTIR. So for arguments sake we'll say it's 3 mill. The Leafs would have to clear 3 million. Dermott is easy to cover as they can easily send down an equal contract. Hyman would be a lot harder because even tho he makes 2.2 mill, there isn't anyone on the roster making that. He's on and island by himself in the 2 mill bracket. That means either Hyman, or one of the over the 2 mill club has to go in order for him to be activated to play. Can't see that happening for a few reasons. Marner isn't signing for under 10 and no way Gards signs for 4.5. Can't see it happening. And I don't see the Leafs dumping Hyman or a bigger contract.Significantly Insignificant said:
If miracles happen and all works the way you say money wise, would you trade Hyman, or a bigger contract away, to keep Gardiner?
Significantly Insignificant said:
I wouldn't really look at Hyman/Dermott potentially being on LTIR to start the season as a cap benefit. The team will need the room to take them off when they're healthy so where do you find that in your scenario? They might get placed on LTIR but that'll be just so the team has enough room to call up additional bodies for the roster while they're down. But if you want to play around with the cap pretty much consider them on the "IR" instead of LTIR.
Guilt Trip
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I was thinking him as well but I think the Leafs are committed to seeing what he can do. They'd have to trade him though, as he'd only count for a little over a mill going to the A. Not enough to cover Hyman.Bill_Berg said:
herman
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https://theathletic.com/1097985/2019/07/29/mirtle-projecting-the-maple-leafs-roster-and-cap-situation-all-the-way-to-2022-23/
The Leafs are super tight to the cap this season, but things open up nicely in the years after. Defense will definitely be a point of focus, as well as maneuvering around the expansion draft (we're pretty much perfectly set for 7-3-1). Biggest question marks two years down the road are Andersen and Rielly re-ups or replacements and at what cost, and when the first wave of internal defense reinforcements really arrive, if at all.
The Leafs are super tight to the cap this season, but things open up nicely in the years after. Defense will definitely be a point of focus, as well as maneuvering around the expansion draft (we're pretty much perfectly set for 7-3-1). Biggest question marks two years down the road are Andersen and Rielly re-ups or replacements and at what cost, and when the first wave of internal defense reinforcements really arrive, if at all.