2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion

[herman]

https://twitter.com/ledgersko/status/1154803514218045440
Hmmmm
https://twitter.com/ledgersko/status/1154807948889219072
https://twitter.com/ledgersko/status/1154809702695559168
HMMMMMM

 

[Bullfrog]

Nylander is good.

Nylander is great.

 

[bustaheims]

Nylander is good.

Nylander is great.

We surrender our will, as of this date.

 

[herman]

Prosciutto!

 

[Zee]

Ah the Rorschach inkblots...

 

[Nik]

Yes,  I would like to speak to the manager about this whole "Red good, Blue bad" thing as it clearly displays a pro-Montreal bias and I'm too offended to learn what these charts mean. 

 

[hockeyfan1]

You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy......er, the hair I mean.

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/

 

[Zee]

You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy......er, the hair I mean.   

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/

That cross he's wearing is nice.

 

[Bullfrog]

That cross he's wearing is nice.

pffft. Probably got it at the dollar store.

 

[rjd]

So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario. 

I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:

Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total                $13,663,333

They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.

The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.  If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen.  So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry.  That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space.  That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.

Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated?  Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?

 

[louisstamos]

You don?t need charts for this...Willy Nye the foodie guy......er, the hair I mean.   

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/maple-leafs-teammates-mock-william-nylanders-summer-look/

All I can think of when I see that is James Franco's character in Spring Breakers...

 

[Guilt Trip]

So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario. 

I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:

Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total                $13,663,333

They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.

The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.  If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen.  So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry.  That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space.  That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.

Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated?  Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?

Hyman and Dermott are full value btw. If they sign Gards and Marner as you say for 13.5 mill then all is fine and dandy until they come off LTIR, especially Hyman. Neither can  play until they clear enough space (their daily contract values) for them when they come off LTIR. So for arguments sake we'll say it's 3 mill. The Leafs would have to clear 3 million. Dermott is easy to cover as they can easily send down an equal contract. Hyman would be a lot harder because even tho he makes 2.2 mill, there isn't anyone on the roster making that. He's on and island by himself in the 2 mill bracket. That means either Hyman, or one of the over the 2 mill club has to go in order for him to be activated to play. Can't see that  happening for a few reasons.  Marner isn't signing for under 10 and no way Gards signs for 4.5. Can't see it happening. And I don't see the Leafs dumping Hyman or a bigger contract.
If miracles happen and all works the way you say money wise, would you trade Hyman, or a bigger contract away, to keep Gardiner?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario. 

I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:

Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total                $13,663,333

I wouldn't really look at Hyman/Dermott potentially being on LTIR to start the season as a cap benefit. The team will need the room to take them off when they're healthy so where do you find that in your scenario? They might get placed on LTIR but that'll be just so the team has enough room to call up additional bodies for the roster while they're down. But if you want to play around with the cap pretty much consider them on the "IR" instead of LTIR.

 

[Bill_Berg]

So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario. 

I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:

Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total                $13,663,333

They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.

The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.  If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen.  So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry.  That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space.  That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.

Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated?  Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?

Hyman and Dermott are full value btw. If they sign Gards and Marner as you say for 13.5 mill then all is fine and dandy until they come off LTIR, especially Hyman. Neither can  play until they clear enough space (their daily contract values) for them when they come off LTIR. So for arguments sake we'll say it's 3 mill. The Leafs would have to clear 3 million. Dermott is easy to cover as they can easily send down an equal contract. Hyman would be a lot harder because even tho he makes 2.2 mill, there isn't anyone on the roster making that. He's on and island by himself in the 2 mill bracket. That means either Hyman, or one of the over the 2 mill club has to go in order for him to be activated to play. Can't see that  happening for a few reasons.  Marner isn't signing for under 10 and no way Gards signs for 4.5. Can't see it happening. And I don't see the Leafs dumping Hyman or a bigger contract.
If miracles happen and all works the way you say money wise, would you trade Hyman, or a bigger contract away, to keep Gardiner?

Ceci!

 

[Guilt Trip]

So because things are slow, and because the horse probably has one last breath in it, I thought I would ask about the following scenario. 

I was looking at capfriendly (probably my first mistake), and it shows that the have the following on LTIR:

Horton, Nathan $5,300,000
Clarkson, David $5,250,000
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000
Dermott, Travis $863,333
Total                $13,663,333

They are currently over by $2.879 million, so $13.663 million subtract that value is $10.784 million.

The capfriendly values currently have 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.  If the Leafs were to sign Marner and Gardiner, that would put them at 14 forwards and 9 defencemen.  So they could drop three players, and perhaps 4 if they wanted to be right against the minimum number of players that they can carry.  That possibly saves them $2.1 to $2.8 million, which puts them back up to $13.663 million in space.  That value is enough to sign Marner at 9 million on a short term contract, and Gardiner at $4.5 million on a short term contract.

Where I am not sure is if they Dermott and Hyman values are the full values of their contracts, or if they are pro-rated?  Assuming it's the full value, and assuming that Marner is cool with a bridge deal at that value, do you think they should do it?

Hyman and Dermott are full value btw. If they sign Gards and Marner as you say for 13.5 mill then all is fine and dandy until they come off LTIR, especially Hyman. Neither can  play until they clear enough space (their daily contract values) for them when they come off LTIR. So for arguments sake we'll say it's 3 mill. The Leafs would have to clear 3 million. Dermott is easy to cover as they can easily send down an equal contract. Hyman would be a lot harder because even tho he makes 2.2 mill, there isn't anyone on the roster making that. He's on and island by himself in the 2 mill bracket. That means either Hyman, or one of the over the 2 mill club has to go in order for him to be activated to play. Can't see that  happening for a few reasons.  Marner isn't signing for under 10 and no way Gards signs for 4.5. Can't see it happening. And I don't see the Leafs dumping Hyman or a bigger contract.
If miracles happen and all works the way you say money wise, would you trade Hyman, or a bigger contract away, to keep Gardiner?

Ceci!

I was thinking him as well but I think the Leafs are committed to seeing what he can do. They'd have to trade him though, as he'd only count for a little over a mill going to the A. Not enough to cover Hyman.

 

[disco]

Healthy at Christmas this team is rolling:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner (matchup)
Moore-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Spezza-Petan

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie (matchup)
Sandin-Ceci

Andersen
Neuvirth

 

[disco]

https://twitter.com/TLNdc/status/1155479553432625152

 

[Bender]

Healthy at Christmas this team is rolling:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-Marner (matchup)
Moore-Kerfoot-Kapanen
Mikheyev-Spezza-Petan

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie (matchup)
Sandin-Ceci

Andersen
Neuvirth

That's a pretty decent team. Although I think it'd still be miles better with Gards over Ceci. The handedness aspect with Babs is a little over the top.

 

[herman]

https://theathletic.com/1097985/2019/07/29/mirtle-projecting-the-maple-leafs-roster-and-cap-situation-all-the-way-to-2022-23/

The Leafs are super tight to the cap this season, but things open up nicely in the years after. Defense will definitely be a point of focus, as well as maneuvering around the expansion draft (we're pretty much perfectly set for 7-3-1). Biggest question marks two years down the road are Andersen and Rielly re-ups or replacements and at what cost, and when the first wave of internal defense reinforcements really arrive, if at all.

 

[princedpw]

Rask and Bennington got stronger and stronger as the playoffs went on. No coincidence they had what amounted to load management during the season, around 50 games played I believe. If you can get 30 from your backup that really sets up your starter for playoff success. The Leafs should be good enough that they don't have to ride Freddie for 65.

Overdrive:
Should there be greater concern about the Leafs' backup goalie position?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae45OyzTs3w

Yeah, I think we should be worried.

I'd rather be in the bottom half of the playoff bracket and have the Leafs backup play 30 games than be #1, I think.