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2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

herman said:
Are Kerfoot, Dermott, McCann all individually better (or project to be better) than Holl? 1v1 at this very moment, yeah.
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This is pretty debatable. I'd say McCann is better, Kerfoot and him are probably about a wash, and their playing time and position on the team last season speaks for itself when it comes to Holl vs. Dermott.

herman said:
The process here seemed to be 'which expendable part is easiest to replace?'.
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I'm not really sure what the problem with this strategy is. Holl's imperfect but RHD who can play top-4 minutes and top PK minutes at least adequately don't exactly grow on trees, especially at his cap hit. While on the other hand the Leafs probably wouldn't have a hard time attracting middle-6 wingers who want a chance to play alongside Matthews or Tavares.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
The process here seemed to be 'which expendable part is easiest to replace?'.
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I'm not really sure what the problem with this strategy is. Holl's imperfect but RHD who can play top-4 minutes and top PK minutes at least adequately don't exactly grow on trees, especially at his cap hit. While on the other hand the Leafs probably wouldn't have a hard time attracting middle-6 wingers who want a chance to play alongside Matthews or Tavares.
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I don't have a problem with it and I think it's the right play under the circumstances (hedge everything). Reliable defense that works in this system is hard to come by. I'm just trying to see why people are miffed, which seems understandable too, but it's a very narrow-focus evaluation.
 
Holl's getting replaced by former 1st rounder T.J. Liljegren and everything will be more than fine.
 
herman said:
I don't have a problem with it and I think it's the right play under the circumstances (hedge everything). Reliable defense that works in this system is hard to come by. I'm just trying to see why people are miffed, which seems understandable too, but it's a very narrow-focus evaluation.
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I'll be miffed if we lose McCann to Seattle. I get the cost to acquire him was cents on the dollar, but I'd have rather just lost Kerfoot, kept Hallander, and had the extra cap space to go into free agency with (although I do generally like Kerfoot).

I do expect Seattle to take Kerfoot (Hakstol will likely appreciate having at least one player he's familiar with) so I'm not too worked up about McCann not being protected. If that's not what happens then yeah it'll have been a bit of a wasted asset.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
herman said:
I don't have a problem with it and I think it's the right play under the circumstances (hedge everything). Reliable defense that works in this system is hard to come by. I'm just trying to see why people are miffed, which seems understandable too, but it's a very narrow-focus evaluation.
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I'll be miffed if we lose McCann to Seattle. I get the cost to acquire him was cents on the dollar, but I'd have rather just lost Kerfoot, kept Hallander, and had the extra cap space to go into free agency with (although I do generally like Kerfoot).

I do expect Seattle to take Kerfoot (Hakstol will likely appreciate having at least one player he's familiar with) so I'm not too worked up about McCann not being protected. If that's not what happens then yeah it'll have been a bit of a wasted asset.
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The acquisition cost of McCann was from Expansion Draft pressure. I don't think we can get that again in a trade post draft. I would be interested to see the trades made with Seattle after where trade targets are bounced through them as broker.
 
https://twitter.com/Ieafsfan/status/1417500548597788675
Okay, so... we know Seattle is using a plethora of local celebrities to announce their picks for the show on Wednesday, and logistically it makes no sense to do it live as the coordination scales to $$$$... and
Also this:
https://twitter.com/MattLewington/status/1417503410463547393
https://twitter.com/FreeNylander/status/1417504744852148224
They could easily film multiple takes with every available name too, and this cellphone vid just happens to capture the one we wanted to hear.
 
10/10 on that fish pass and reception. The chemistry is palpable. That fish landed perfectly, not even one slip.
 
Frank E said:
Uhh...does McCann play centre often?
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He played like 10-11 min a night and only played centre because Malkin was injured.
Kerfoot has a track record of playing centre, even though it's been meh (really his wingers aren't helping offensively), and killing penalties for the Kraken's head coach recently. The expansion draft has a dearth of legit centres.
 
herman said:
10/10 on that fish pass and reception. The chemistry is palpable. That fish landed perfectly, not even one slip.
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If I hadn't pledged my troth to the Leafs I'd totally be a Krakenhead.
 
Looks legitimate and not surprising.  Too bad we are losing on of the few guys who stepped up in the postseason.  We lose one of our better penalty killers and the team loses speed.  So far I really don't care for the offseason. 

McCann is a decent enough replacement but he doesn't really fit up the middle, doesn't kill penalties and isn't a defensive player.  Simmonds coming back is fine at 900K but meh.  Dermott got a pay raise for playing himself out of the top 6.  Spezza continues to provide cap charity to the team.

If the Leafs use internal options to fill their roster they have

McCann/Matthews/Marner = 25.48M
Mikheyev/Tavares/Nylander = 19.61M
Robertson/Engvall/Simmonds = 2.95M
Spezza/Brooks/Anderson = 2.23M

Forwards: 50.27M

Rielly/Brodie = 10M
Muzzin/Holl = 7.63M
Dermott/Sandin = 2.39M

Defense: 20.02M

Campbell/Hutchinson = 2.38M

Total: 72.67M
Cap Space: 8.3M

8 million to find two middle 6 forwards (Mikheyev can't play top 6) and a better goaltender.  I'm really not all that excited about this situation.  Maybe you get Galchenyuk back on a cheap deal.  I still like the idea of Bunting as a cheaper addition although 14 points in 26 career games when he has had 6 pro seasons isn't something I want to bank on. 
 
herman said:
He played like 10-11 min a night and only played centre because Malkin was injured.
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He's a natural centre who's played the position in the NHL starting with his 19-year old rookie season with the Canucks back in 15/16 and throughout his time with Florida. Pittsburgh probably wanted him as a winger but he's still played a lot of centre there, including for most of the 19/20 season. I think it's definitely fair to wonder if he's a better winger or centre but he's probably spent the majority of his NHL career in the middle of the ice.
 
L K said:
McCann is a decent enough replacement but he doesn't really fit up the middle, doesn't kill penalties and isn't a defensive player.
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Not exactly trying to brand myself as his #1 fan or anything, but just because he doesn't/hasn't killed penalties doesn't mean he can't. He's generally considered a pretty responsible two-player who can skate really well so I'd imagine he has the tools to PK. He started to kill penalties in his final season with Florida but didn't get the chance with Pittsburgh largely because they've been loaded with grindy bottom-6 forwards who need to play there. Let's not forget that Kerfoot never took a regular PK shift with Colorado before coming here and now look at him. I wouldn't be surprised if the team used him there.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
McCann is a decent enough replacement but he doesn't really fit up the middle, doesn't kill penalties and isn't a defensive player.
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Not exactly trying to brand myself as his #1 fan or anything, but just because he doesn't/hasn't killed penalties doesn't mean he can't. He's generally considered a pretty responsible two-player who can skate really well so I'd imagine he has the tools to PK. He started to kill penalties in his final season with Florida but didn't get the chance with Pittsburgh largely because they've been loaded with grindy bottom-6 forwards who need to play there. Let's not forget that Kerfoot never took a regular PK shift with Colorado before coming here and now look at him. I wouldn't be surprised if the team used him there.
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Fair enough.  I think I'm still just pretty down on the lack of roster flexibility with the team.  I was kind of hoping the team would have gone 7-3-1 instead and kept both Kerfoot and McCann but in fairness replacing a top 4 defenseman wouldn't have been any easier so I don't really know.  This is just a sucky week for the Leafs between losing a decent player in the expansion draft and then having no draft picks.
 
L K said:
CarltonTheBear said:
L K said:
McCann is a decent enough replacement but he doesn't really fit up the middle, doesn't kill penalties and isn't a defensive player.
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Not exactly trying to brand myself as his #1 fan or anything, but just because he doesn't/hasn't killed penalties doesn't mean he can't. He's generally considered a pretty responsible two-player who can skate really well so I'd imagine he has the tools to PK. He started to kill penalties in his final season with Florida but didn't get the chance with Pittsburgh largely because they've been loaded with grindy bottom-6 forwards who need to play there. Let's not forget that Kerfoot never took a regular PK shift with Colorado before coming here and now look at him. I wouldn't be surprised if the team used him there.
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Fair enough.  I think I'm still just pretty down on the lack of roster flexibility with the team.  I was kind of hoping the team would have gone 7-3-1 instead and kept both Kerfoot and McCann but in fairness replacing a top 4 defenseman wouldn't have been any easier so I don't really know.  This is just a sucky week for the Leafs between losing a decent player in the expansion draft and then having no draft picks.
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I think there's going to be a lot of scrutiny if they go into October without a substantial move or 2.

I'm with you in that so far this week looks like it's going to be a pretty disappointing week for the team, but I'm having trouble convincing myself that Dubas and Shannahan can go into the regular season with just simply tweaking the edges of the team.
 
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