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Brendan Shanahan to be named president of Maple Leafs

Shanahan should schedule a prime time special like Lebron did to reveal his decision.


"Carlyle is going to........" <stay> / <go to Florida>
 
The conundrum is if he can indeed get Babcock for the following season what to do next season?
Do you keep Randy or do you jettison him with his golden toaster?
I think you almost have to keep Randy and let him finish up, perhaps replaceing some of his assitants with guys like Mueller, guys whom Babcock could work with when he arrives.
And if you keep Randy do you do so with silent oversight, such as dictating player changes to some degree: like removing Molten Orr and getting some of our young Marlies to inject some youth and enthusiasm into the lineup?  Obviously he has a feud going on with Gardiner, how do you make that work?  Lots of hard questions to be answered.  I really think the Shanaplan gets complicated with Babcock, as next season is crucial to make the playoffs and build on that.
I don't think there are many coachs as good as Babcock and he is almost worth waiting for.
 
Deebo said:
Highlander said:
  Obviously he has a feud going on with Gardiner, how do you make that work?
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Gardiner was 1st on the team in even strength TOI/g and played 80 games.
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Yeah, I think the poster above is talking about the perceived shot Carlyle took at Gardiner (most people think this is who it was directed at) during his end of season presser, basically calling him delusional.
 
Personally, I would like to Shanahan clean house if only to get his own people in across the board.  It always seems like the new GM gets the existing coach, and the new coach gets the existing assistants, and the scouting staff just seems to linger through it all.  I'd like to see Shanny hire his own GM, coach, scouts and front office people, and allow that new coach to bring in his own assistants.  A clean slate (a new culture?) so to speak.
 
LuncheonMeat said:
Personally, I would like to Shanahan clean house if only to get his own people in across the board.  It always seems like the new GM gets the existing coach, and the new coach gets the existing assistants, and the scouting staff just seems to linger through it all.  I'd like to see Shanny hire his own GM, coach, scouts and front office people, and allow that new coach to bring in his own assistants.  A clean slate (a new culture?) so to speak.
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Plus you'd think since his reputation is riding on it, he wouldn't want to have that hanging on people he didn't choose.
 
Obviously this is something that will take a more definite form as decisions are cemented regarding who is or isn't coming back but, as of now, do people have a good handle on who is responsible for what in the organization right now? I guess the implication people are taking away from this is that Shanahan is deciding whether Carlyle comes or goes but will that be true of coaching decisions in the future? If Nonis sticks around is it basically as a #2 to Shanahan?

Because I have to confess that I'm lost.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Obviously this is something that will take a more definite form as decisions are cemented regarding who is or isn't coming back but, as of now, do people have a good handle on who is responsible for what in the organization right now? I guess the implication people are taking away from this is that Shanahan is deciding whether Carlyle comes or goes but will that be true of coaching decisions in the future? If Nonis sticks around is it basically as a #2 to Shanahan?

Because I have to confess that I'm lost.
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If I had to guess, the new setup would have Nonis in charge of executing Shanahan's vision, which would include things like finding a coach the fits the team Shanahan envisions, etc. Shanahan would have final say over everything, and, if he says "fire the coach" then the coach is fired, but, ultimately, his job will be more about setting the course rather than steering the ship.
 
Who cares anymore? The one thing we can be sure of is that whoever's in charge will continue making stupid decisions.
 
It's hard to imagine that Shanahan, with his brief and frequently criticized history of being the mouthpiece for the league's terrible discipline program, didn't hit the ground running here.
 
Nik the Trik said:
It's hard to imagine that Shanahan, with his brief and frequently criticized history of being the mouthpiece for the league's terrible discipline program, didn't hit the ground running here.
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Perhaps he still will. We've only heard the coach and GM are staying. Don't underestimate what can be done with an effective player shake up.
 
RedLeaf said:
Perhaps he still will. We've only heard the coach and GM are staying. Don't underestimate what can be done with an effective player shake up.
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Unless by "player shake-up" you mean the team getting drastically better or worse then I'm not underestimating it. I'm properly estimating that if there isn't a serious move in one direction or the other then contending isn't likely for the foreseeable future.

And even if the plan is to burn the team to the ground, which would be my preferred course of action, I don't know why either Nonis or Carlyle would be guys to stick around.
 
Nik the Trik said:
RedLeaf said:
Perhaps he still will. We've only heard the coach and GM are staying. Don't underestimate what can be done with an effective player shake up.
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Unless by "player shake-up" you mean the team getting drastically better or worse then I'm not underestimating it. I'm properly estimating that if there isn't a serious move in one direction or the other then contending isn't likely for the foreseeable future.
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Maybe Shanahan decided that the coach isn't the problem, and instead has made plans to trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kadri and Riemer, to get that 'culture change' everyone is talking about these days. Depending on who comes back, it could mean a drastic change in the teams performance in one direction or another?
 
RedLeaf said:
Maybe Shanahan decided that the coach isn't the problem, and instead has made plans to trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kadri and Riemer, to get that 'culture change' everyone is talking about these days. Depending on who comes back, it could mean a drastic change in the teams performance in one direction or another?
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There's a lot of room between deciding that the coach isn't "the problem" and deciding that he's a solution.

Again, even if they tank you have to make an argument as to why he's the right coach to rebuild them.
 
TML fan said:
Who cares anymore? The one thing we can be sure of is that whoever's in charge will continue making stupid decisions.
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What would be truly "Leafy" is if after they hired him they realized he is completely incompetent for the job. The decision to change the logo to a pic of his face sent ownership into a panic.
 
RedLeaf said:
Maybe Shanahan decided that the coach isn't the problem, and instead has made plans to trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kadri and Riemer, to get that 'culture change' everyone is talking about these days. Depending on who comes back, it could mean a drastic change in the teams performance in one direction or another?
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That's a huge decision to come to after only 3-4 weeks on the job.
 
BS "Dave, when you read the memo from the meeting you missed while you were 'scouting' in Finland, didn't you wonder about, what'd it say, 'hire R. Carlyle for a few off seasons to take talent to Sierra Nevada mountains, lol'. Dude, c'mon..."

DN "Sorry Shanny"

Shanaplan Mark 2, Jazz Odyssey...
 
RedLeaf said:
Nik the Trik said:
RedLeaf said:
Perhaps he still will. We've only heard the coach and GM are staying. Don't underestimate what can be done with an effective player shake up.
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Unless by "player shake-up" you mean the team getting drastically better or worse then I'm not underestimating it. I'm properly estimating that if there isn't a serious move in one direction or the other then contending isn't likely for the foreseeable future.
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Maybe Shanahan decided that the coach isn't the problem, and instead has made plans to trade Phaneuf, Franson, Kadri and Riemer, to get that 'culture change' everyone is talking about these days. Depending on who comes back, it could mean a drastic change in the teams performance in one direction or another?
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I thought I was the only one talking about culture change.  Would you prefer the term 'blue and white' disease? You may not like burke, but shipping out a bunch of players did the team a world of good.
 
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