Ducks shopping Ryan

[bustaheims]

Lots of proposals in this thread involving Blake.

Blake is currently injured if I'm not mistaken and therefore cannot be traded right now. 

Should a trade happen involving Blake, you're looking at January at the earliest.

That's not strictly true. As long as the Ducks share all their medical records in regards to Blake and such, and the Leafs (or whoever) agree to take on the risk of an injured player, he can most certainly be traded. He can't be sent to the AHL until he's healthy, though.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm sure there is a lot of talk with a lot of clubs but;

icemancometh Eric Stephens
@ChrisBottaNHL is reporting discussions of a trade between Ducks and Buffalo but not known if Bobby Ryan is part of it.
2 minutes ago

 

[Tigger]

Lots of proposals in this thread involving Blake.

Blake is currently injured if I'm not mistaken and therefore cannot be traded right now. 

Should a trade happen involving Blake, you're looking at January at the earliest.

That's not strictly true. As long as the Ducks share all their medical records in regards to Blake and such, and the Leafs (or whoever) agree to take on the risk of an injured player, he can most certainly be traded. He can't be sent to the AHL until he's healthy, though.

What the heck am I thinking of then? Waivers?

 

[bustaheims]

What the heck am I thinking of then? Waivers?

Buy outs would be my guess, with all the Chris Drury stuff this summer.

 

[cw]

In 2010, the Ducks missed the playoffs. According to Forbes (a guess), they lost $5 mil with a $54 mil payroll. Their revenues in 2010 had dropped to below 2007 revenues.

Last season, they made the playoffs with a $55.6 mil payroll as they have in each year since the lockout except 2010. But their attendance fell to their lowest level since '03 - meaning they probably suffered financial losses in spite of their playoff appearance.

This year, their payroll is $60.6 mil. Their attendance is currently tracking to the second lowest level since '03 and is bound to fall if they continue to suck. They're looking at a bath of more than $10 mil (maybe $15-20 mil) if they do nothing.

From that, some player talent assets are very likely for sale - almost literally. Who can help them out financially is very likely to be a significant factor in any deal they make. For Bob Murray, as Brian Burke well understands, it is a business and not just a hockey club.

 

[Sudafederov]

Lots of proposals in this thread involving Blake.

Blake is currently injured if I'm not mistaken and therefore cannot be traded right now. 

Should a trade happen involving Blake, you're looking at January at the earliest.

That's not strictly true. As long as the Ducks share all their medical records in regards to Blake and such, and the Leafs (or whoever) agree to take on the risk of an injured player, he can most certainly be traded. He can't be sent to the AHL until he's healthy, though.

Well, all I have to say is this humble pie tastes pretty darn good.

Should have also thought about Matt Lombardi earlier too.

 

[Tigger]

What the heck am I thinking of then? Waivers?

Buy outs would be my guess, with all the Chris Drury stuff this summer.

Thank you, that's it.

 

[bustaheims]

I'm sure there is a lot of talk with a lot of clubs but;

icemancometh Eric Stephens
@ChrisBottaNHL is reporting discussions of a trade between Ducks and Buffalo but not known if Bobby Ryan is part of it.
2 minutes ago

I'm going to go out on a fairly sturdy limb and say these talks aren't about Ryan. One thing the Sabres definitely can't do is take on more cap hits without sending equal or more back. If they're talking, it's almost certainly about something much less significant.

 

[cw]

Lots of proposals in this thread involving Blake.

Blake is currently injured if I'm not mistaken and therefore cannot be traded right now. 

Should a trade happen involving Blake, you're looking at January at the earliest.

That's not strictly true. As long as the Ducks share all their medical records in regards to Blake and such, and the Leafs (or whoever) agree to take on the risk of an injured player, he can most certainly be traded. He can't be sent to the AHL until he's healthy, though.

What the heck am I thinking of then? Waivers?

The Leafs could carry him on LTIR until he's healthy and then waive him to play with Jeff Finger. No big cap problem there. So they buy Bobby Ryan for a couple of mil (cash Blake is still owed for this season) on top of what assets they give up to get Ryan.

 

[Erndog]

I'm sure there is a lot of talk with a lot of clubs but;

icemancometh Eric Stephens
@ChrisBottaNHL is reporting discussions of a trade between Ducks and Buffalo but not known if Bobby Ryan is part of it.
2 minutes ago

I'm going to go out on a fairly sturdy limb and say these talks aren't about Ryan. One thing the Sabres definitely can't do is take on more cap hits without sending equal or more back. If they're talking, it's almost certainly about something much less significant.

That might just be the beginning of the dumping.  Much like Ottawa last year when they traded Fisher and began their purge.

A lot of talk of the Sabres needing/wanting a tough guy.  Some of their fans on the boards think it could be Parros (which makes sense).  Probably just a case of Anaheim wanting to shed some additional salary.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Ryan thought but I have this feeling it might be something smaller.  Having said that though their have been a lot of Duck scouts at Sabres games recently and I dont think a Parros trade would require much scouting (they likely won't be getting anything off an NHL roster back in return).

 

[cw]

Having said that though their have been a lot of Duck scouts at Sabres games recently

Saw a report that the Leafs have had a lot of scouts at the Ducks games over the last couple of weeks. I don't know how credible the report was.

During the interviews with GM Rutherford and GM McPhee about dismissing their respective coaches, both said the trade market has been pretty slow to this point.

If Anaheim has begun to make some noise, there's probably been a bunch of teams picking over their assets and scouting them.

 

[Deebo]

Lots of proposals in this thread involving Blake.

Blake is currently injured if I'm not mistaken and therefore cannot be traded right now. 

Should a trade happen involving Blake, you're looking at January at the earliest.

That's not strictly true. As long as the Ducks share all their medical records in regards to Blake and such, and the Leafs (or whoever) agree to take on the risk of an injured player, he can most certainly be traded. He can't be sent to the AHL until he's healthy, though.

Well, all I have to say is this humble pie tastes pretty darn good.

Should have also thought about Matt Lombardi earlier too.

Kessel too.

 

[Fanatic]

It's just Eklund but for some reason, ya know, I read it and so now I am posting it.... sorry.

Multiple sources are telling me that a Bobby Ryan trade is all but definite now. One source in W. Ontario tells me the 4 teams 'currently' involved as the Flyers, Rangers, Carolina, and the Islanders.

Others could always enter and drop off..

There is reason to believe the Flyers could land him. He grew up in the area, played for the Little Flyers Youth Hockey team...This would be a good full cycle story. There is no secret the Flyers have loved this guy from the start dating back to the huge push they made at Ryan's draft to get him.

Also interesting how the Rangers and Flyers tend to get into bidding wars in the past...(see: Richter)

I will be back with more as soon as I get it on the fast developing scenario.

 

[bustaheims]

Okay, so, now that Eklund says it's going to happen, I'm pretty confident Ryan will finish the season with the Ducks.

 

[maplesyrup]

Okay, so, now that Eklund says it's going to happen, I'm pretty confident Ryan will finish the season with the Ducks.

Or he winds up a Leaf as he doesn't mention us here. 

 

[cw]

https://twitter.com/#!/AnaheimDucks/status/141967166219104256
AnaheimDucks Anaheim Ducks
Carlyle on Bobby Ryan playing on #NHLDucks 3rd line: "We feel the grouping of [Ryan]on any other line can help spark an offensive element...

Translation: "Let's see what life without Bobby would look like. It could spark a financial element!" 

https://twitter.com/#!/jeffmillerOCR/status/141963876538392576
@jeffmillerOCR
Jeff Miller
Randy Carlyle met with Bobby Ryan today concerning trade rumors and told him he "has to find that inner peace in himself to deal with it."
2 hours ago via web
(Orange County Register - OCR covers the Ducks)

the inner "peace train" out of town?

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/ryan-329230-ducks-team.html
"At the same time, it's the business side of things that all comes back to. If they feel like it's got to be the right move for the team, then I'd certainly welcome it. Ryan

 

[cw]

In 2010, the Ducks missed the playoffs. According to Forbes (a guess), they lost $5 mil with a $54 mil payroll. Their revenues in 2010 had dropped to below 2007 revenues.

Last season, they made the playoffs with a $55.6 mil payroll as they have in each year since the lockout except 2010. But their attendance fell to their lowest level since '03 - meaning they probably suffered financial losses in spite of their playoff appearance.

This year, their payroll is $60.6 mil. Their attendance is currently tracking to the second lowest level since '03 and is bound to fall if they continue to suck. They're looking at a bath of more than $10 mil (maybe $15-20 mil) if they do nothing.

From that, some player talent assets are very likely for sale - almost literally. Who can help them out financially is very likely to be a significant factor in any deal they make. For Bob Murray, as Brian Burke well understands, it is a business and not just a hockey club.

Further to the above:

Forbes (guess) Business of Hockey report came out today:
http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/#p_2_s_a0_

According to Forbes, the Ducks lost $8.4 mil last year while making the playoffs. An increase of $6 mil in payroll this year, missing the playoff revenue this year and poor attendance as a bottom feeder this year would push them into projecting losses right now if nothing changes of greater than $17 mil.

They can move very roughly $10 mil in salary to get to the cap floor to help cut their losses. It's probably their best percentage move financially as their chances of the post season are getting pretty slim.

The rumours have reasonable financial foundation. For it to work ideally financially, when the trade dust settles, the Ducks can't have taken a bunch of salary back. Quality cheap young NHLers, prospects and picks is probably what they're looking for.

With the young assets, cap space and financial resources the Leafs have, I can't imagine them not being one of the top three in the hunt if they really wanted Ryan.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Can't speak to the trustworthiness of the source, but this was linked from Yahoo's Puck Daddy:

http://www.queencitysports.net/the-bobby-ryan-to-buffalo-rumors-what-ive-been-told-and-what-i-think/

"Buffalo, CBJ, and Toronto are the top three teams INTERESTED in Ryan. Right now Leafs have best offer of a combination of Schenn, GRabovski,Bozak, and/or Kadri. It's a very real possibility that Anaheim is using Buffalo to up the deal from Toronto. Also remember the Burke/Anaheim connection; Burke wants the player he drafted. Right now I'd view Toronto as the front runner. Sabres have an offer of Stafford, A young NHL ready player (my guess is Ennis), and a D prospect on the table."

 

[moon111]

It's just Eklund but for some reason, ya know, I read it and so now I am posting it.... sorry.

Multiple sources are telling me that a Bobby Ryan trade is all but definite now. One source in W. Ontario tells me the 4 teams 'currently' involved as the Flyers, Rangers, Carolina, and the Islanders.

Others could always enter and drop off..

There is reason to believe the Flyers could land him. He grew up in the area, played for the Little Flyers Youth Hockey team...This would be a good full cycle story. There is no secret the Flyers have loved this guy from the start dating back to the huge push they made at Ryan's draft to get him.

Also interesting how the Rangers and Flyers tend to get into bidding wars in the past...(see: Richter)

I will be back with more as soon as I get it on the fast developing scenario.

His dad does, or did work for Bobby Clarke's gym, so there's some Philly ties there.

 

[bustaheims]

You know what my favourite thing about players like Ryan getting heavy rotation in the rumour world? Suddenly, everyone is an insider.