General Leafs Talk

[Corn Flake]

wonder if he means to use the 2 buyouts on TO players and then take on a contract to play for them...or... get a contract to buyout along with other asset(s) from the selling team?

I'm quite positive it means the latter.

I was about to post the same words when I read his post. 

Kind of like what they did to "buy" Franson by taking on an iffy Lombardi contract. But in this case, they'll use one compliance buyout to shed Komisarek and maybe "buy" another young asset along with a bad contract they'll use for a second compliance buyout.

I'm not sold on buyout komi...I'd rather buyout one of the 2 longer term deals we have in grabs and/or liles.  For instance if we were going to take a shot at the #3 pick and take on lecaveliers full contract as part of the deal then why not buyout grabs this year, keep komi as a #7 depth guy and play lecavelier this year looking to buy him out next summer, which getting him and komi off the books at the same time saves a big amount of dough.

short term pain for long term gain I guess.

I agree about the Komi buyout. Even if they don't use him as a Leaf they can get through the year with him on the books. If they can grab some assets by eating 2 other teams big contracts then that may be the best use of the buyouts.
The way the Lecavalier rumour reads it would only happen if TB gets him back. (yes he would look good as a Leaf for a year or 2)

Good chance you can send Komi back the other way in a big contract eating trade (ie: DiPietro)

 

[Redleaf]

wonder if he means to use the 2 buyouts on TO players and then take on a contract to play for them...or... get a contract to buyout along with other asset(s) from the selling team?

I'm quite positive it means the latter.

I was about to post the same words when I read his post. 

Kind of like what they did to "buy" Franson by taking on an iffy Lombardi contract. But in this case, they'll use one compliance buyout to shed Komisarek and maybe "buy" another young asset along with a bad contract they'll use for a second compliance buyout.

I'm not sold on buyout komi...I'd rather buyout one of the 2 longer term deals we have in grabs and/or liles.  For instance if we were going to take a shot at the #3 pick and take on lecaveliers full contract as part of the deal then why not buyout grabs this year, keep komi as a #7 depth guy and play lecavelier this year looking to buy him out next summer, which getting him and komi off the books at the same time saves a big amount of dough.

short term pain for long term gain I guess.

I agree about the Komi buyout. Even if they don't use him as a Leaf they can get through the year with him on the books. If they can grab some assets by eating 2 other teams big contracts then that may be the best use of the buyouts.
The way the Lecavalier rumour reads it would only happen if TB gets him back. (yes he would look good as a Leaf for a year or 2)

Good chance you can send Komi back the other way in a big contract eating trade (ie: DiPietro)

I wonder how much actual value there is in such a swop. I assume the bigger the contract the Leafs are willing to swallow, the higher value player or pick they will receive. For a contract like Luongo or DiPietro you would have to think the other team would have to throw in something pretty spectacular to grease the deal enough? But I really have no idea of the kind of calibre player/pick you would start the negotiations with.

 

[pmrules]

I personally think that there is no way that the Leafs will be the ones to buy out Komi's contract - if he gets bought out at all.  There is likely a line of money starved teams that would be itching to save actual cash by trading their worst medium to long term contract to the Leafs plus whatever valuable assets to us, for the rights to buy out Komisarek (or use him as an actual d-man for 1 year).

 

[Corn Flake]

I wonder how much actual value there is in such a swop. I assume the bigger the contract the Leafs are willing to swallow, the higher value player or pick they will receive. For a contract like Luongo or DiPietro you would have to think the other team would have to throw in something pretty spectacular to grease the deal enough? But I really have no idea of the kind of calibre player/pick you would start the negotiations with.

The talk from the Isles is adding Strome or Nino Nederrrrrrrrrretc to the deal to make it happen.  Big price to pay for a prospect, but one of Strome's caliber would be pretty good.  I think I would possibly see picks going the Leafs way as well.  Heck they got Franson just for taking on Lombari whose salary is a penance compared to Ricky D's.  Maybe its Strome and the Isles 1st + Dipietro for Komisarek and maybe some paltry add-on from the Leafs side. 

The Leafs have two chances here to use their $$ muscle in ways other teams can't or won't. 

 

[Kin]

I have to say, I'm pretty skeptical that this will yield much for the Leafs. Both because I doubt teams are going to be willing to include significant assets in a deal like this and also because I doubt that when the Leafs say that they're willing to buy out another team's bad contract they mean a collossal 30-40 million dollar bad contract but more like a 2 year/10 million dollar mistake.

 

[Champ Kind]

I wonder how much actual value there is in such a swop. I assume the bigger the contract the Leafs are willing to swallow, the higher value player or pick they will receive. For a contract like Luongo or DiPietro you would have to think the other team would have to throw in something pretty spectacular to grease the deal enough? But I really have no idea of the kind of calibre player/pick you would start the negotiations with.

The talk from the Isles is adding Strome or Nino Nederrrrrrrrrretc to the deal to make it happen.  Big price to pay for a prospect, but one of Strome's caliber would be pretty good.  I think I would possibly see picks going the Leafs way as well.  Heck they got Franson just for taking on Lombari whose salary is a penance compared to Ricky D's.  Maybe its Strome and the Isles 1st + Dipietro for Komisarek and maybe some paltry add-on from the Leafs side. 

The Leafs have two chances here to use their $$ muscle in ways other teams can't or won't.

While paying DiPietro's salary is likely pennance for hiring Garth Snow as GM, I think you meant 'pittance'.

(Sorry, Corn, I couldn't resist)

 

[Champ Kind]

I have to say, I'm pretty skeptical that this will yield much for the Leafs. Both because I doubt teams are going to be willing to include significant assets in a deal like this and also because I doubt that when the Leafs say that they're willing to buy out another team's bad contract they mean a collossal 30-40 million dollar bad contract but more like a 2 year/10 million dollar mistake.

Well, history would seem to differ, wouldn't it?  Aside from the Franson example, it would be fair to consider Anaheim trading a broken and washed up Lupul as a similar situation.  Gardiner was included to make the deal palatable from the Leafs perspective.  After all, they were taking on Lupul for 2 years @ $4.25.  Pretty good prospect, I'd say.

I also think it's difficult to say whether would or would not take on a $30 - $40M buy-out.  If the organization is serous about utilizing the few remaining advantages it has, then it probably should consider it.

 

[Kin]

Well, history would seem to differ, wouldn't it? Aside from the Franson example, it would be fair to consider Anaheim trading a broken and washed up Lupul as a similar situation.  Gardiner was included to make the deal palatable from the Leafs perspective.  After all, they were taking on Lupul for 2 years @ $4.25.  Pretty good prospect, I'd say.

Not really. When Franson got dealt to the Leafs he was a 23 year old former 3rd round pick who hadn't dazzled in his 2 years and the Anaheim trade was one where Anaheim was actually pretty high on the guy they were getting back. A lot of people at the time that the Anaheim trade was made looked at it in the opposite sense, that it was Beauchemin for Gardiner but, in order to make it palatable to Anaheim, had Lupul thrown in for salary. That isn't to say that it wasn't a good trade for the Leafs but that it wasn't a situation where Anaheim were willing to give away Gardiner just so they could clear salary(the salary savings for Anaheim were pretty minimal).

I also think it's difficult to say whether would or would not take on a $30 - $40M buy-out.  If the organization is serous about utilizing the few remaining advantages it has, then it probably should consider it.

Right and what's made me skeptical of all of that is a life time of watching the Leafs and saying "If the organization is serious about using the advantages they have they'd do _______" and, well, being where we are.

 

[bustaheims]

Right and what's made me skeptical of all of that is a life time of watching the Leafs and saying "If the organization is serious about using the advantages they have they'd do _______" and, well, being where we are.

Though, to be fair, they now have new ownership, a new president and a new GM. What the organization has done in the past is a little less relevant than it was 2 summers ago.

 

[Kin]

Right and what's made me skeptical of all of that is a life time of watching the Leafs and saying "If the organization is serious about using the advantages they have they'd do _______" and, well, being where we are.

Though, to be fair, they now have new ownership, a new president and a new GM. What the organization has done in the past is a little less relevant than it was 2 summers ago.

Sure, although without wanting to re-open the can of worms that drove such a wedge between us, I saw enough from this group during the lockout to, at the very least, keep my skepticism alive and well.

 

[cw]

I have to say, I'm pretty skeptical that this will yield much for the Leafs. Both because I doubt teams are going to be willing to include significant assets in a deal like this and also because I doubt that when the Leafs say that they're willing to buy out another team's bad contract they mean a collossal 30-40 million dollar bad contract but more like a 2 year/10 million dollar mistake.

Well, history would seem to differ, wouldn't it?  Aside from the Franson example, it would be fair to consider Anaheim trading a broken and washed up Lupul as a similar situation.  Gardiner was included to make the deal palatable from the Leafs perspective.  After all, they were taking on Lupul for 2 years @ $4.25.  Pretty good prospect, I'd say.

I also think it's difficult to say whether would or would not take on a $30 - $40M buy-out.  If the organization is serous about utilizing the few remaining advantages it has, then it probably should consider it.

I think they'd be fairly moderate in what they'd blow to bury another GM's mistake - like the Lombardi/Lupul  scale.

Franson nor Gardiner were regarded at the time to be likely to turn out as well as they have. There was a chance they would but they were no sure thing. So credit to the Leafs but they might have been a little lucky on how those deals turned out (offsetting some of their bad luck some).

If a team wants the Leafs to eat $30-40 mil, I think the Leafs should get a franchise player in return - or something like that. That's a lot of dough - even for the Rogers/Bell folks. And that's part of the reason why I think it's so unlikely.

 

[mr grieves]

I guess this is general talk.

Scott Cullen's posted his off-season game plan. Here: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=425455

As noted elsewhere on the webs, MacArthur is a notable omission in the discussion of forwards. It's rather obvious he isn't coming back, but I would hope Nonis offers him something like his last contract (i.e. no raise of significance) before he walks.

What Cullen doesn't speak of, MLHS does. Their MacA review: http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/06/14/2012-13-player-review-clarke-macarthur/

 

[hockeyfan1]

TSN's Cullen also posted his Leafs (Capgeek) roster here:

http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/20455

Regin, Cullen (forwards), Sanguinetti (defence), as new additions.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

TSN's Cullen also posted his Leafs (Capgeek) roster here:

http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/20455

Regin, Cullen (forwards), Sanguinetti (defence), as new additions.

And Clarkson.

 

[bustaheims]

TSN's Cullen also posted his Leafs (Capgeek) roster here:

http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/20455

Regin, Cullen (forwards), Sanguinetti (defence), as new additions.

And Clarkson.

At significantly more per season than he's actually worth.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

TSN's Cullen also posted his Leafs (Capgeek) roster here:

http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/20455

Regin, Cullen (forwards), Sanguinetti (defence), as new additions.

And Clarkson.

At significantly more per season than he's actually worth.

Even Devils fans are saying he's going to get badly overpaid this summer and he's best suited on the 3rd line. I wouldn't sign him for anything more than $3mil, which of course won't happen.

 

[ensco]

That Lecavalier rumour is interesting. It's kind of the equivalent of buying the 3rd pick for $25 million or whatever his buyout cost is. Feels like something up Leiweke's alley.

Very creative. Maybe too creative. It's too much of an FU to Tampa fans. Reminds of of Charlie Finley's deals to sell star players for cash to the Yankees in the 70s. Also signals a huge new incentive to tank (what would the Leafs have made, maybe $5-10M from their 3 playoff gates? Much smarter to play draft lottery 6/49)

Bettman would have to intervene and stop that, I suspect.

HayesTSN: Claude Loiselle just told us that the Leafs have the ability to use both buyouts and are looking into acquiring another teams contract.

wonder if he means to use the 2 buyouts on TO players and then take on a contract to play for them...or... get a contract to buyout along with other asset(s) from the selling team?

I'm wondering if they are currently in talks with a specific team about doing this or if this is just a strategy they are willing to employ should the opportunity present itself.

According to Eklund Leafs will acquire Lecavalier and Tampa's 3rd overall pick and then buy out Vinny.  Please don't flame me.

 

[lamajama]

Well we know from past history when the Leafs try something like this somehow the NHL bites them in the ass. This sounds perfectly legal and something the NHL should have anticipated could be attempted.

This would be an awesome move.

 

[mr grieves]

TSN's Cullen also posted his Leafs (Capgeek) roster here:

http://www.capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/20455

Regin, Cullen (forwards), Sanguinetti (defence), as new additions.

And Clarkson.

At significantly more per season than he's actually worth.

Gosh. What a terrible line-up from Cullen... Maybe not a "what the Leafs should do" but a "what they probably will do" roster?

 

[bustaheims]

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