Goaltending conundrum

[Corn Flake]

Burke won't touch that contract. 

 

[Corn Flake]

Injuries, UFA holes to fill, backups (ie: Brent Johnson) to be dumped or relegated to the Swiss league, etc. 

Lots of change to come and openings to be filled no doubt.

Just to continue looking at specific examples, if Brent Johnson goes the Pens will likely turn to Brad Thiessen, who was the AHL's best goalie last season.

As for UFA holes to fill, busta brings up the point that Scrivens will only be in danger of having to clear waivers at the end of training camp. If a NHL team doesn't have two NHL capable goalies on their roster at that point then they are in some serious trouble.

I hear what you guys are saying and I guess i agree.. it's a risk though to cross your fingers that no team needs a goalie at camp either due to injury or who knows what.  Odds would be in favor of him clearing, I guess.

 

[the dingo ate my baby]

Luongo has a no-trade contract, but he may decide that he wants out of town.  If so, why would he want to come to Toronto where the media and fan scrutiny is at least as great if not greater than that in Vancouver.  I think that he takes a lot of undeserved abuse in Vancouver; it could only get worse in Toronto.

The media's tough in Toronto, but I think the bigger reason he's taking heat in Vancouver is because the fans have gotten behind Schneider.  There wouldn't be that specific type of pressure in T.O. as I doubt any back up will be breathing down his neck any time soon.  T.O. fans and media would have the understanding that this is the goalie... for a loooong time, so he'd get at least a bit of pressure relief there (at least in year one).  However, if the Leafs miss the playoffs again by a mile, all bets are off.

 

[Zee]

I think it's been suggested before that Tampa would be interested in Luongo and he'd probably be a good fit there.  Also I heard that he wants to move back east to be closer to family, he's already familiar with Florida after those seasons with the Panthers.  I'd expect him to accept a trade there.

 

[lamajama]

Burke won't touch that contract.

No he won't. And I'm not sure that is good or not (never minding any
player involved). I vacillate from the issue of TO using their financial might to win (like the Flyers do) at all costs and the fact that these deals
will bite you in the behind. We just haven't gone thru any of the end of these deals yet to see it. 

 

[Optimus Reimer]

The Pens and Canucks are far superior teams compared to the Leafs.  If I'm Fleury or Luongo, or any other NHL goalie looking for a team to play on, I'd be grateful if I was playing for the Leafs, but on the other hand, I'd be worried about having my career ruined by a bad team.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think it's been suggested before that Tampa would be interested in Luongo and he'd probably be a good fit there.  Also I heard that he wants to move back east to be closer to family, he's already familiar with Florida after those seasons with the Panthers.  I'd expect him to accept a trade there.

I think that Tampa and Luongo are pretty much a match made in heaven right now, but what can they offer Vancouver that would be of any interest? Stamkos, St. Louis, and Lecavalier aren't going anywhere, and beyond that their forwards really aren't that impressive. Hedman just signed a long-term deal and beyond him their defence is very weak, so he won't be traded. And aside from Brett Connolly they have no notable prospects to speak of.

 

[louisstamos]

I think it's been suggested before that Tampa would be interested in Luongo and he'd probably be a good fit there.  Also I heard that he wants to move back east to be closer to family, he's already familiar with Florida after those seasons with the Panthers.  I'd expect him to accept a trade there.

I think that Tampa and Luongo are pretty much a match made in heaven right now, but what can they offer Vancouver that would be of any interest? Stamkos, St. Louis, and Lecavalier aren't going anywhere, and beyond that their forwards really aren't that impressive. Hedman just signed a long-term deal and beyond him their defence is very weak, so he won't be traded. And aside from Brett Connolly they have no notable prospects to speak of.

Which is why I don't think the price for Luongo will be as high as some people may think.  Vancouver is desperate to get rid of him, and he'll have a limited list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for, say, a 2nd round pick.

 

[bustaheims]

Which is why I don't think the price for Luongo will be as high as some people may think.  Vancouver is desperate to get rid of him, and he'll have a limited list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for, say, a 2nd round pick.

I honestly don't believe that's the case at all.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Which is why I don't think the price for Luongo will be as high as some people may think.  Vancouver is desperate to get rid of him, and he'll have a limited list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for, say, a 2nd round pick.

I honestly don't believe that's the case at all.

I think desperate is the wrong word, but does Luongo really want to be a 1B goalie? He could force their hand this summer with the way Vigneault is playing Schneider.

edit: And I don't think Vancouver would be too upset to fulfill a trade request.

 

[bustaheims]

I think desperate is the wrong word, but does Luongo really want to be a 1B goalie? He could force their hand this summer with the way Vigneault is playing Schneider.

I suppose that's a possibility, but, I don't see that happening either. Between his contract and what they'll want in return for him, they have to know moving Luongo will be an incredibly difficult thing for them to come out ahead of. Barring a miracle comeback against LA, my guess is Vingeault is gone, so, how he's treated the goalies will be pretty irrelevant and Schneider will be moved in the summer to address whatever they feel the biggest organizational need is.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think desperate is the wrong word, but does Luongo really want to be a 1B goalie? He could force their hand this summer with the way Vigneault is playing Schneider.

I suppose that's a possibility, but, I don't see that happening either. Between his contract and what they'll want in return for him, they have to know moving Luongo will be an incredibly difficult thing for them to come out ahead of. Barring a miracle comeback against LA, my guess is Vingeault is gone, so, how he's treated the goalies will be pretty irrelevant and Schneider will be moved in the summer to address whatever they feel the biggest organizational need is.

I suppose this might be where we differ. I can't see Vingeault being fired. They lost in Game 7 of the finals last season and they can use the injury to Sedin as an excuse to going out early this year. And if he stays I think Schneider becomes the guy in Vancouver.

 

[bustaheims]

I suppose this might be where we differ. I can't see Vingeault being fired. They lost in Game 7 of the finals last season and they can use the injury to Sedin as an excuse to going out early this year. And if he stays I think Schneider becomes the guy in Vancouver.

My guess is after 6 years with only getting past the 2nd round once, the Canucks will make the obvious move and change the coach for next year instead of shaking up the core. They'll massage their roster this summer, and if that doesn't work, the major changes will come next summer.

 

[Highlander]

Someone told me that Jesus was coming back and also told me Jesus Saves. I though he may be an interesting fit for the Leafs whom need a Miracle and don't need another player to ride the pine!

Relax its just a joke!

 

[sampson]

I suppose this might be where we differ. I can't see Vingeault being fired. They lost in Game 7 of the finals last season and they can use the injury to Sedin as an excuse to going out early this year. And if he stays I think Schneider becomes the guy in Vancouver.

My guess is after 6 years with only getting past the 2nd round once, the Canucks will make the obvious move and change the coach for next year instead of shaking up the core. They'll massage their roster this summer, and if that doesn't work, the major changes will come next summer.

Yeah right! Vancouver makes it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals last year, and wins the Presidents' Trophy this year, and they fire the coach? That's madness.

 

[bustaheims]

Yeah right! Vancouver makes it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals last year, and wins the Presidents' Trophy this year, and they fire the coach? That's madness.

Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last. 1 year of playoff success in the 6 he's been with the team. The President's Trophy is nice and all, but, the goal is to win the Cup, and, Vingeault has been out-coached in the playoffs every year.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yeah right! Vancouver makes it to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals last year, and wins the Presidents' Trophy this year, and they fire the coach? That's madness.

Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last. 1 year of playoff success in the 6 he's been with the team. The President's Trophy is nice and all, but, the goal is to win the Cup, and, Vingeault has been out-coached in the playoffs every year.

Somewhere deep in the Habs thread I said I had a feeling Vigeault would be their next coach. I think that possibility still exists.

 

[Bullfrog]

Which is why I don't think the price for Luongo will be as high as some people may think.  Vancouver is desperate to get rid of him, and he'll have a limited list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for, say, a 2nd round pick.

I honestly don't believe that's the case at all.

That's probably true, but seriously, no comment on the last sentence? Seriously?

A 2nd rounder!!

 

[KW Sluggo]

Which is why I don't think the price for Luongo will be as high as some people may think.  Vancouver is desperate to get rid of him, and he'll have a limited list of teams he'll accept a trade to.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for, say, a 2nd round pick.

I honestly don't believe that's the case at all.

That's probably true, but seriously, no comment on the last sentence? Seriously?

A 2nd rounder!!

It is a Toronto tradition to trade a first rounder (and more) for a goalie that lets in the inexplicably soft and inopportune goal that has to be moved by the other team.

I am afraid we would have to insist that Vancouver take our first round pick. 

 

[bustaheims]

That's probably true, but seriously, no comment on the last sentence? Seriously?

A 2nd rounder!!

I didn't feel it warranted a response. It was that ridiculous.