Gustavsson

[Kin]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

 

[rdowdall]

..... but I hope he gets it back, because he has shown the ability make amazing saves, relying on his anticipation alone.  It's almost like when it's a clear shot on net, he just has too much time to think.

One other thing, why was his glove so low on Cammalleri's shot?  I thought the typical butterfly stance was to have your glove high, because you can drop it quicker than you can raise it.  On the replay though, his glove is down by his knee. 

That's Allaire's teaching...I've said it before...not every goalie can play Allaire's style and Gus might be one of them. Gus is playing purely positional, like Reimer, and if his location is the slightest bit off, they score. I really don't understand the teaching here. These goalies drop at the thought of a shot now. Gus stands still, Cammalleri hits him. Why on earth are these supposed goalie guru's teaching these guys not to stand up when it's a clear shot is beyond me. For me, Gus' biggest problem at first was been being over active and he took himself out of position. Now after 2 plus years with Allaire to me, he's regressed and doesn't rely on his reactions anymore. He's trying a pure positional game. Fact is, the Leafs won Saturday despite Gus...He was a better goalie then he's shown and I wonder if he can ever get it all together. I sure hope so but sometimes coaches don't work with certain players, and if that's is indeed the case here, Gus is done...that would be a shame....

Hmmm.  I just found it funny because both Giguere and Reimer hold their gloves high.  I do agree that Gustavsson is a reaction goalie and getting him to stay still is a mistake.  Maybe Allaire is a problem is this case because he has Gustavsson thinking too much about every situation.  Maybe he's thinking "I have to do it the way Allaire taught me or I am toast", when really if he just stopped the puck, he'd be fine.

 

[Tigger]

..... but I hope he gets it back, because he has shown the ability make amazing saves, relying on his anticipation alone.  It's almost like when it's a clear shot on net, he just has too much time to think.

One other thing, why was his glove so low on Cammalleri's shot?  I thought the typical butterfly stance was to have your glove high, because you can drop it quicker than you can raise it.  On the replay though, his glove is down by his knee. 

That's Allaire's teaching...I've said it before...not every goalie can play Allaire's style and Gus might be one of them. Gus is playing purely positional, like Reimer, and if his location is the slightest bit off, they score. I really don't understand the teaching here. These goalies drop at the thought of a shot now. Gus stands still, Cammalleri hits him. Why on earth are these supposed goalie guru's teaching these guys not to stand up when it's a clear shot is beyond me. For me, Gus' biggest problem at first was been being over active and he took himself out of position. Now after 2 plus years with Allaire to me, he's regressed and doesn't rely on his reactions anymore. He's trying a pure positional game. Fact is, the Leafs won Saturday despite Gus...He was a better goalie then he's shown and I wonder if he can ever get it all together. I sure hope so but sometimes coaches don't work with certain players, and if that's is indeed the case here, Gus is done...that would be a shame....

I'm not going to digress too much into worrying the point over one goal, however, Cammalleri took a pretty good shot and the reason for such positional play in the Allaire school ( and goal tending in general ) is due to the percentage of goals scored in the bottom 8 to 10 inches of the net.

IIRC Goose played this style before he came over, fwiw.

One thing that I criticized pretty heavily was his ability/reaction blocker side, he didn't seem to set correctly and held his hand too low, that's been largely fixed from what I can tell.

I don't think one can simply say he's been with Allaire for two years so he should be good or he's done ( though I appreciate you're not entirely saying that ) his experience playing the NA game when he came over, his health, the quality of the team in front of him for the lions share of his games played... all factor in, as well as his play.

I also wonder if he's adjusting a bit to the weight he's gained, could be influencing his timing a bit on top of missing nhl action for 9 months.

 

[rdowdall]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

You know, I find it interesting the players that you throw your support behind.  The ones that I know about are Nikolai Antropov, Kris Versteeg, and Jonas Gustavsson.  These aren't the players that most people really rally behind.  Don't get me wrong, I can see the argument to support these players.  Is it just that it is harder to defend these players, than say a Kessel or a Sundin, or is it something else?

 

[Zee]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

Gustavsson has a 5.33 GAA and .852 save %.  Would it be fair to say the Leafs won't win many games going forward with a goalie playing like that?

 

[Erndog]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

No, I actually agree with Guilt Trip.  And I like Gustavsson too.  Really like him in fact.  Hoping he can prove a lot of people wrong.  Heck, I hope he can push Reimer for the starting job!  I just don't see it happening.

But what GT said is true.  He was pretty bad that night and I think he was a big reason why the Habs got a point.  It's really not that big of a deal- what's done is done.  Hopefully Gus rebounds tonight in Philly.

 

[cw]

Mirtle
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/flyers-anxious-to-end-skid-against-the-leafs/article2211576/
- Something to keep in mind: If Gustavsson struggles in this one, the up-and-coming Scrivens could be playing in his next recall. He's held in very high regard by the organization and will be playing some NHL games at some point.

I strongly suspect that is not an overstatement. For all the handwringing, there is a guy loitering in the wings. With Wilson's job on the line, this is a short term (over the next 10-13 games or so) situation: either Gustavsson performs well or Scrivens is going to get a shot.

 

[Erndog]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

You know, I find it interesting the players that you throw your support behind.  The ones that I know about are Nikolai Antropov, Kris Versteeg, and Jonas Gustavsson.  These aren't the players that most people really rally behind.  Don't get me wrong, I can see the argument to support these players.  Is it just that it is harder to defend these players, than say a Kessel or a Sundin, or is it something else?

Nik is a contrarian by nature.

Support Kessel and he will come back with "well you see, the problem I see with him is..."

Yet give a guy with a 5.22GAA a hard time and he defends him like it is his own son.


Edit:  Also, I should point out, I like Nik and enjoy going back and forth with him on several things sports related.

 

[bustaheims]

Mirtle
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/flyers-anxious-to-end-skid-against-the-leafs/article2211576/
- Something to keep in mind: If Gustavsson struggles in this one, the up-and-coming Scrivens could be playing in his next recall. He's held in very high regard by the organization and will be playing some NHL games at some point.

I strongly suspect that is not an overstatement. For all the handwringing, there is a guy loitering in the wings. With Wilson's job on the line, this is a short term (over the next 10-13 games or so) situation: either Gustavsson performs well or Scrivens is going to get a shot.

I felt Scrivens was the better goalie in the pre-season and I would have liked to have seen him win the back up position out of camp.

 

[Stebro]

I think it's too early, yes his gaa and sv% is bad, but it's been two games! I mean compare it to the following guys:

Jaroslav Halak, 3,47 gaa, 83,5%, 5 games
Dwayne Roloson, 5,09 gaa, 85,8%, 4 games
Roberto Luongo, 3,17 gaa, 87,7%, 5 games

I think that Gustavsson deserve more than 2 games, even though he hasn't been all that in those.

 

[Kin]

You know, I find it interesting the players that you throw your support behind.  The ones that I know about are Nikolai Antropov, Kris Versteeg, and Jonas Gustavsson. 

That's probably more a function of you not having been here very long. Realistically the top three players I've probably had to defend the most in my time here were McCabe, Kaberle and Sundin.

I just don't like unfair criticism of players. Those three and the trio you mention just have been on the receiving end of a ton of it in recent years.

 

[Bullfrog]

Nik is a contrarian by nature.

Support Kessel and he will come back with "well you see, the problem I see with him is..."

Yet give a guy with a 5.22GAA a hard time and he defends him like it is his own son.


Edit:  Also, I should point out, I like Nik and enjoy going back and forth with him on several things sports related.

Give me a break. Do you honestly believe Gustavsson's current GAA would be maintained over the season and/or is indicative of his abilities? So while I'm sure Nik can defend himself, you using a type of strawmen argument is unproductive.

 

[Kin]

Gustavsson has a 5.33 GAA and .852 save %.  Would it be fair to say the Leafs won't win many games going forward with a goalie playing like that?

The Leafs won't win a ton of games playing the way they have in the last two games. The Leafs won't win a lot of games if they get the goaltending they got from Reimer against Ottawa or Winnipeg either. Heck, I'd really like to think that the Moen goal on Reimer was entirely because of the whiplash.

There needs to be an overall improvement from the team defensively and in net.

 

[bustaheims]

I think it's too early, yes his gaa and sv% is bad, but it's been two games! I mean compare it to the following guys:

Jaroslav Halak, 3,47 gaa, 83,5%, 5 games
Dwayne Roloson, 5,09 gaa, 85,8%, 4 games
Roberto Luongo, 3,17 gaa, 87,7%, 5 games

I think that Gustavsson deserve more than 2 games, even though he hasn't been all that in those.

I'm not sure using 2 guys that losing or have lost their starting job and a 3rd who might only holding on to his by a thread (and an expensive, long-term contract) is as strong a support as you want it to be.

 

[Stebro]

I think it's too early, yes his gaa and sv% is bad, but it's been two games! I mean compare it to the following guys:

Jaroslav Halak, 3,47 gaa, 83,5%, 5 games
Dwayne Roloson, 5,09 gaa, 85,8%, 4 games
Roberto Luongo, 3,17 gaa, 87,7%, 5 games

I think that Gustavsson deserve more than 2 games, even though he hasn't been all that in those.

I'm not sure using 2 guys that losing or have lost their starting job and a 3rd who might only holding on to his by a thread (and an expensive, long-term contract) is as strong a support as you want it to be.

Well the point is that none of those are bad goalies, but they do have bad stats early on, and does anyone really expect Gustavsson to dominate Reimer? I think that most think of him as a backup for Reimer.

 

[rdowdall]

You know, I find it interesting the players that you throw your support behind.  The ones that I know about are Nikolai Antropov, Kris Versteeg, and Jonas Gustavsson. 

That's probably more a function of you not having been here for a while. Realistically the top three players I've probably had to defend the most in my time here were McCabe, Kaberle and Sundin.

I just don't like unfair criticism of players. Those three and the trio you mention just have been on the receiving end of a ton of it in recent years.

I can see that. McCabe was an interesting one because everyone seemed to love him when he was making 3.2 million a season, but the minute he makes more than that, he became terrible.  His game really didn't change that much.  The other two I can't really understand people criticizing them.

Overall though, Objectivity is lacking in the world of sports from time to time.  Seems when the team you cheer for loses, the last reason you want to give is because the other team was better.

 

[Tigger]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

Gustavsson has a 5.33 GAA and .852 save %.  Would it be fair to say the Leafs won't win many games going forward with a goalie playing like that?

Reimers last 5 games, .890 sv% 3.17 gaa...

 

[bustaheims]

Well the point is that none of those are bad goalies, but they do have bad stats early on, and does anyone really expect Gustavsson to dominate Reimer? I think that most think of him as a backup for Reimer.

They might not be bad goalies, but they've played badly enough that their teams have either removed them from the role they were brought in for or are seriously considering doing so. That's pretty much what people here are looking to see happen with Gustavsson.

 

[maplesyrup]

If the Leafs got decent goaltending Saturday, they win easy. Gus was the only reason the Habs got a point.

I'm twelve feet tall.

See? I can say things that aren't true too.

Gustavsson has a 5.33 GAA and .852 save %.  Would it be fair to say the Leafs won't win many games going forward with a goalie playing like that?

Reimers last 5 games, .890 sv% 3.17 gaa...

Which is not all that far removed from his career body of work. He is what he is. An inadequate back-up with potential to improve.

 

[Stebro]

Well the point is that none of those are bad goalies, but they do have bad stats early on, and does anyone really expect Gustavsson to dominate Reimer? I think that most think of him as a backup for Reimer.

They might not be bad goalies, but they've played badly enough that their teams have either removed them from the role they were brought in for or are seriously considering doing so. That's pretty much what people here are looking to see happen with Gustavsson.

Yes, but all of them have played more than 2 games. And giving up on a backup after 2 games of a season feels quite strange. I mean it took several seasons to give up on Toskala