Justin Holl signs 3-year extension

[Zee]

Holl getting 2m for 3yrs, makes me now wonder what Dermott is going to cash in at for next season.  I don't see any way that he takes less then Holl.  Dermott has a far more dynamic skill set and could potentially run a 2nd PP unit.

Dermott may have the skill set but Holl has been better than him all season. He's playing more than Dermott and playing against tougher completion. Also Holl was going to be a UFA where as Dermott is still RFA status

 

[CarltonTheBear]

"Potentially" running a 2nd PP unit isn't going to get him paid though. I think you can make a good case that the Leafs really don't plan on using him in that role in the next few years. Even if we lose Barrie I think that Sandin gets the PP2 spot next season ahead of Dermott. And Dermott's value to the team, and therefore what his cap hit should be, is more limited if he's not really playing any specialty team minutes.

I don't think it'll necessarily happen, but he's almost at the risk of being Connor Carrick'd. It's hard to really be a significant NHL defenceman if you're only playing 5-on-5 minutes.

 

[Kin]

Dermott's going to effectively have no leverage and will almost certainly be looking for a bridge deal. I don't know about less than Holl but he's definitely not going to be getting a lot more.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dermott's going to effectively have no leverage and will almost certainly be looking for a bridge deal. I don't know about less than Holl but he's definitely not going to be getting a lot more.

That bodes well for the Leafs.

 

[Kin]

Dermott's going to effectively have no leverage and will almost certainly be looking for a bridge deal. I don't know about less than Holl but he's definitely not going to be getting a lot more.

That bodes well for the Leafs.

He'll be going into negotiations without a 70 game or 20 point season(probably). Could he get 2.5 or something? I suppose. But what's the possible justification for anything higher?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dermott's going to effectively have no leverage and will almost certainly be looking for a bridge deal. I don't know about less than Holl but he's definitely not going to be getting a lot more.

That bodes well for the Leafs.

He'll be going into negotiations without a 70 game or 20 point season(probably). Could he get 2.5 or something? I suppose. But what's the possible justification for anything higher?

There really isn't one. I don't think he can really go in and demand more then Holl. Still half a year to go though so we'll see.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Dermott's going to effectively have no leverage and will almost certainly be looking for a bridge deal. I don't know about less than Holl but he's definitely not going to be getting a lot more.

That bodes well for the Leafs.

He'll be going into negotiations without a 70 game or 20 point season(probably). Could he get 2.5 or something? I suppose. But what's the possible justification for anything higher?

There really isn't one. I don't think he can really go in and demand more then Holl. Still half a year to go though so we'll see.

Took a look at a number of stats (reg. and advanced) and Dermott's only real advantage over Holl is games played.  They have almost identical point rates (0.28 pts/gm) and shot share numbers.  With that said, I think Holl has benefited from playing with possession god Muzzin a fair amount this season while Dermott has carried some carcasses (Polak, Ozhiganov, Ceci) around- but in sheltered minutes.

If Dermott's deal is 3 yrs or less (ie Bridge deal) he likely won't get much more than Holl.  The question is, do you dangle a 5/6 yr deal in front of him at 2.75-3 M per?

 

[Guilt Trip]

I honestly don't know if I'd dangle a 5-6 year deal. I guess it depends on if you think he'll improve and move up, or if you picture him as a bottom pairing guy. I do think he's better then Rielly defensively so definite maybe lol.

 

[Kin]

If Dermott's deal is 3 yrs or less (ie Bridge deal) he likely won't get much more than Holl.  The question is, do you dangle a 5/6 yr deal in front of him at 2.75-3 M per?

I don't think there'd be any harm in making that offer but man, you'd really have to wonder about Dermott's confidence if he accepted something like that.

 

[Coco-puffs]

If Dermott's deal is 3 yrs or less (ie Bridge deal) he likely won't get much more than Holl.  The question is, do you dangle a 5/6 yr deal in front of him at 2.75-3 M per?

I don't think there'd be any harm in making that offer but man, you'd really have to wonder about Dermott's confidence if he accepted something like that.

Well, its always the risk vs reward balance.  What do most 2nd pair d-men get paid on their third contracts (after a bridge deal)?  Somewhere between 4m-5.5m?  If his bridge deal is Holl money....

2 @ 5m + 3 @ 2m = 16m
5 @ 2.75m = 13.75m

Is the risk of career ending injury and/or poor performance on the bridge deal worth giving up 2.25m?

Also, they can front load the longer deal, and the power of money is having as much of it as soon as possible means that 2.25m is not necessarily put in stone as the true difference.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If Dermott's deal is 3 yrs or less (ie Bridge deal) he likely won't get much more than Holl.  The question is, do you dangle a 5/6 yr deal in front of him at 2.75-3 M per?

I don't think there'd be any harm in making that offer but man, you'd really have to wonder about Dermott's confidence if he accepted something like that.

Well, its always the risk vs reward balance.  What do most 2nd pair d-men get paid on their third contracts (after a bridge deal)?  Somewhere between 4m-5.5m?  If his bridge deal is Holl money....

2 @ 5m + 3 @ 2m = 16m
5 @ 2.75m = 13.75m

Is the risk of career ending injury and/or poor performance on the bridge deal worth giving up 2.25m?

Also, they can front load the longer deal, and the power of money is having as much of it as soon as possible means that 2.25m is not necessarily put in stone as the true difference.

I think Rielly showed more promise and he was given 5m on a lung term deal. I wouldn't give Dermott that kind of cash tho. A lot will have to do with the Xap also and what the Leafs plan on doing with Muzz, Barrie.

 

[Kin]

I just think that most young athletes wouldn't want to lock themselves into a 5 year deal without having a real chance to establish themselves over the course of a season and really show what they can do.

 

[disco]

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[Guilt Trip]

Molson Canadian presents The Leaf: Blueprint Episode #4 - Full Circle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3u2FOjlVbo

Nice story..and babs scratched this guy 71 times last year.