Leafs offer for Bernier.......Or Not!

[Tigger]

Brian Burke assured me that he wants to win.  He did it with a shirt with the top button undone and no tie and he looked all flustered like he had been working really hard.  He wants results and who can argue with his work to date.

I was hooked by the untied tie around the neck on those crucial days, he must have really been working hard when you saw him...

 

[princedpw]

Well, fans have been clamoring for more unproven young goaltending.

If it was something like Scriven's + mid-round pick for Bernier, yeah, sure I'd take a younger higher touted prospect to battle it out against Reimer, but I just can't see the guy being traded for that.

FWIW...

No word yet as to what the #Leafs initial offer for Bernier is but source advised me it contains a roster player and TO's 2nd rd 2013 pick.

Lombardi + 2nd.  Sure.  It frees up a roster spot for Kadri + cap savings.
Connolly + 2nd.  Sure.  It frees up a roster spot for Kadri + cap savings.
MacArthur + 2nd.  Stupid.
Kulemin + 2nd.  Very stupid.
Franson + 2nd.  Not going to lose sleep over it, but it would be a case of Burke barking and then not delivering on getting the team a much needed stabilizing presence.

There is nothing wrong with adding a young goalie who was a 1st round pick but let's not forget that he has a .910 SV% playing for a defensive club.  It's going to be a rude awakening for him coming to play in front of the mess that is the Leafs.

Agreed.  The fact that Bernier's save percentage was so far below Quick's and he played so few games in the regular season (indicating a lack of confidence from the coaches) is a huge warning sign to me.  I'm not that well informed but I don't see much of a reason to believe Bernier will be any better than Scrivens.  I guess Bernier is currently slightly younger than Scrivens?  May be I'd do a straight-up swap of Bernier for Scrivens given both their futures are unpredictable?  I don't see the point of also giving away what could be a valuable second round pick.

 

[princedpw]

I don't know, I'd be open to say, Frattin + Scrivens for Bernier + (depending on what the plus was.)

+ someone equivalent to Frattin? 

 

[Redleaf]

I was obviously joking about Brown being included in any package coming back with Bernier because it ain't happening. Truthfully, I would have no interest in a deal with Bernier that didn't include Brown coming back. So, IOW..no thanks on Bernier...

 

[maplesyrup]

I don't know, I'd be open to say, Frattin + Scrivens for Bernier + (depending on what the plus was.)

+ someone equivalent to Frattin? 

I'm not sure it would be because I think the Bernier might be the best single asset in that deal but what do I know?

 

[jdh1]

I'll take Bernier..you just can't get enough talent in the system...Scrivens and a 2nd is fine with me..or Scrivens and Franson would work...we're not winning the cup this year anyways..so it's all about the future.

 

[Tigger]

I really don't want to give up Frattin in this situation.

I don't know, I'd be open to say, Frattin + Scrivens for Bernier + (depending on what the plus was.)

+ someone equivalent to Frattin? 

Yeah, it doesn't move me much. Frattin may not be proven either but I'm not interested in moving him for Bernier.

 

[Corn Flake]

I think Franson would make more sense for the Kings than Frattin anyway. 

 

[brothert]

Is Scrivens for Bernier even a worthwhile consideration?  Scrivens had a pretty respectable run in the AHL this past season.  He's no Rask and Bernier could be the second coming of Raycroft.  I'd rather keep the assets and scrivens than gamble on goalies again.

 

[rdowdall]

I think Franson would make more sense for the Kings than Frattin anyway.

It also alleviates the "Players names that start with Fra" quotient in the system.

 

[Damian]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

 

[groundskeeper willie]

Are we seriously saying that Bernier isn't a better option than Scrivens?

Scrivens has done great so far and clearly deserves a backup role in the NHL, but that is likely as far as he goes. How many goalies come into the league at 26 and make an impact? Better yet, how many North American goalies are able to do that? Very, very few. Bernier may not appear to have the same potential he once did, but he is still a better option than Scrivens at this point.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

 

[Redleaf]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

And, as we all know, that's still a crapshoot.

 

[maplesyrup]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

And, as we all know, that's still a crapshoot.

... and as you know, that's why there are scouting departments... See a pattern developing here?

 

[Rebel_1812]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

That scouting department must have been working overtime on the Gomez signing and trade.  This arguement that they are "professionals" and know better then us is flawed because of all the stupid moves these "professionals" have made in the past.  Its like saying your bosses idea is a great one just because he is your boss.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Scrivens gets no love around here, guy just had a big season in the AHL, give him a look at home before sending him away for some magic beans. 

 

[maplesyrup]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

That scouting department must have been working overtime on the Gomez signing and trade.  This arguement that they are "professionals" and know better then us is flawed because of all the stupid moves these "professionals" have made in the past.  Its like saying your bosses idea is a great one just because he is your boss.

What about the not-so-stupid moves? I don't know, I'd be inclined to trust the judgment of any employed scout than you know, some guy (or group of guys) who just likes to chit-chat in a hockey forum.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

What about the not-so-stupid moves? I don't know, I'd be inclined to trust the judgment of any employed scout than you know, some guy (or group of guys) who just likes to chit-chat in a hockey forum.

Pretty much. That's also why all the teams have them as opposed to saying "what are they useful for, we'll just skip this part and save some money"

 

[Corn Flake]

Its only a sideways move in my opinion...Hes got what? 48 games in 3 seasons? I dont see it either

That's mostly why NHL teams rely on scouting departments, so you know, you can make a decision on a guy's talent level and how it's going to translate to the NHL game.

That scouting department must have been working overtime on the Gomez signing and trade.  This arguement that they are "professionals" and know better then us is flawed because of all the stupid moves these "professionals" have made in the past.  Its like saying your bosses idea is a great one just because he is your boss.

30 NHL teams read this, slapped their collective foreheads and just fired all of their scouts.