Leo Komarov

[bustaheims]

I realize that but seeing as it's unlikely he'll achieve many of those bonuses I separated what I thought he might reasonably have a shot at from that group and outlined his guaranteed nhl money/cap hit. That's also part of the reason I brought up Bozak.

Sure, but a new CBA is signed, the whole of the cap hit has to be considered. On top of that, the unachieved bonuses don't come off the cap until they can not be achieved - which, in most cases, is the end of the season. Considering it could very well take a contract that provides max potential bonus money to get him to come over, the full $3.775M number is not something that should be taken out of the equation.

That being said, it's a one year deal, there's not much on the UFA market this season and the cap space issue could be very different by the time July 1st rolls around any ways (I suspect the days leading up to the draft and after will be very active this year).

 

[bustaheims]

I would also consider schedule b but I have a question about that. The league pays schedule b bonuses regardless of what's in a players contract, does that mean players with, say, a Conn Smythe bonus written in their deal get an additional 250k on top of what the league pays? I mean, I guess otherwise why would you ever write a schedule b bonus into a contract but I can't find anything definitive.

There are 2 type of Schedule B bonuses - the ones defined in the CBA, which the league pays, and those negotiated by the team (which can only be in the same categories as those defined in the CBA) that the team pays. The league granted bonuses don't count against the cap, but those defined by the team do.

 

[Tigger]

I realize that but seeing as it's unlikely he'll achieve many of those bonuses I separated what I thought he might reasonably have a shot at from that group and outlined his guaranteed nhl money/cap hit. That's also part of the reason I brought up Bozak.

Sure, but a new CBA is signed, the whole of the cap hit has to be considered. On top of that, the unachieved bonuses don't come off the cap until they can not be achieved - which, in most cases, is the end of the season. Considering it could very well take a contract that provides max potential bonus money to get him to come over, the full $3.775M number is not something that should be taken out of the equation.

That being said, it's a one year deal, there's not much on the UFA market this season and the cap space issue could be very different by the time July 1st rolls around any ways (I suspect the days leading up to the draft and after will be very active this year).

I don't know what it will take to get him over. If he's not moving for less than max than I doubt he comes over, but that's a two way discussion as there would be risk on both sides. For the Leafs it could be a cap situation, for Leo it could be 70k in the A or playing top six quality to justify his existence with a max contract which doesn't seem likely. I'd look for some middle ground there if there's reasonable negotiations. Cervenka has more of a track record to justify his existence than Komarov, for comparison. He was the leading goal scorer during the season a year ago and was the leading scorer in this years playoffs.

Komarov's team did win the Gagarin cup, beat Cervenka's team but I don't know how much stock to place in that. That's probably the real trouble, it's a guess.

Edit to add: While I don't personally think the bonus cushion is an issue for these negotiations, I haven't heard or read anything to suggest it won't be back, I also don't want the Leafs to use it up needlessly when it returns. I imagine the gm's have an idea of how that'll play out to help guide them at least.

 

[Zee]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Zee]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it. 

 

[Zee]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it.

Then you sign him to an incentive based contract.  Low base + extras if he actually produces.  I'm guessing he won't take that since he'll want the money upfront.  We'll see.

 

[Deebo]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it.

Then you sign him to an incentive based contract.  Low base + extras if he actually produces.  I'm guessing he won't take that since he'll want the money upfront.  We'll see.

The maximum guaranteed salary is like 875k.

 

[Zee]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it.

Then you sign him to an incentive based contract.  Low base + extras if he actually produces.  I'm guessing he won't take that since he'll want the money upfront.  We'll see.

The maximum guaranteed salary is like 875k.

That sounds fair to me.  More than what Rosehill was getting, he's not even proven anything yet, and he has potential to make more with incentives.  If he's hoping to score in the range of $1.5-$2M and the Leafs pay that, we're insane.

 

[maplesyrup]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it.

Then you sign him to an incentive based contract.  Low base + extras if he actually produces.  I'm guessing he won't take that since he'll want the money upfront.  We'll see.

The maximum guaranteed salary is like 875k.

875k + another ~750k in bonuses? Giddy up.

 

[Deebo]

Just saw that TSN article.  I don't like the line "If they need me and they give me a good contract then I will go over there".  Sounds like he wants to cash in.

Doesn't everyone though? What's wrong with being frank about it?

Sure but as long as his expectations are in line with what the Leafs can offer.  How much would you be willing to give a 25 year old player who doesn't have any NHL experience?  Looking at his stats he has 30 goals in 145 KHL games, that doesn't exactly blow me away.

I don't know... Bozak territory?

I don't think they should go that high.  Bozak was a free agent and pursued by more than the Leafs, Komarov is the Leafs property and they have rights to sign him.  He sounds like a 3rd-4th liner to me, what's that worth?  Low end 600k high end 800k?

I wouldn't be upset if it took a million and a half to get him over here. Assuming A finnish leaf fan is accurate in his assessment in that he can play, I don't think it's out of line with what a third line player should be getting. I mean, 1.5 for Komarov hopefully replacing one of third liner Armsrong (3) or Lombardi (3.5)? Where do I sign up for that?   

Armstrong and Lombardi are way overpaid for what they do.  I wouldn't use them as a 3rd line yardstick.

Fine but a buck and a half is completely within the within the acceptable range for a third liner as far as I'm concerned.

Sure, IF he's a legitimate 3rd line player.  For all we know about him, he could be 4th line or AHL material.  Nobody has seen this guy play a North American game yet.  That's my point.  You don't throw money around for an unproven 25 year old.  We have plenty of guys in the system who can play 3rd line.

Again, I'm operating under the understanding that he is. He could also wind up producing more offence than Kulemin. Who knows? If the brass thinks he can play and you get him to sigh at a reasonable number, you just do it.

Then you sign him to an incentive based contract.  Low base + extras if he actually produces.  I'm guessing he won't take that since he'll want the money upfront.  We'll see.

The maximum guaranteed salary is like 875k.

That sounds fair to me.  More than what Rosehill was getting, he's not even proven anything yet, and he has potential to make more with incentives.  If he's hoping to score in the range of $1.5-$2M and the Leafs pay that, we're insane.

The maximum allowed on the the CBA entry level contract is 875k.

If he's hoping to score more that that, he doesn't know the NHL rules.

 

[Zee]

The maximum allowed on the the CBA entry level contract is 875k.

If he's hoping to score more that that, he doesn't know the NHL rules.

If that's the case, how did Cervenka get 925k salary (+2.85M in bonuses) on an EL contract?  Isn't the 925 guaranteed?

 

[Deebo]

Actually it's 925k.

 

[Deebo]

The maximum allowed on the the CBA entry level contract is 875k.

If he's hoping to score more that that, he doesn't know the NHL rules.

If that's the case, how did Cervenka get 925k salary (+2.85M in bonuses) on an EL contract?  Isn't the 925 guaranteed?

Yea, the maximum is 925k,  it was 875 in 2008.

Either way, he can't get the 1.5-2.0 that you mentioned.

 

[Zee]

The maximum allowed on the the CBA entry level contract is 875k.

If he's hoping to score more that that, he doesn't know the NHL rules.

If that's the case, how did Cervenka get 925k salary (+2.85M in bonuses) on an EL contract?  Isn't the 925 guaranteed?

Yea, the maximum is 925k,  it was 875 in 2008.

Either way, he can't get the 1.5-2.0 that you mentioned.

Oh that's fine then.  Give him 925k + bonuses that he'll never hit anyway.  ;D

 

[bustaheims]

Yea, the maximum is 925k,  it was 875 in 2008.

Either way, he can't get the 1.5-2.0 that you mentioned.

Not without performing like a player that's worth more than that, at least.

 

[maplesyrup]

On kind of a related note, Who's that fairly reliable Russian dude who sends out the odd tweet? - What does he do and what's his hashtag? - Just another guy I might consider adding to my "follow" list.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@dchesnokov?

 

[Deebo]

On kind of a related note, Who's that fairly reliable Russian dude who sends out the odd tweet? - What does he do and what's his hashtag? - Just another guy I might consider adding to my "follow" list.

@dchesnokov

?