Lightning @ Leafs - Nov. 20th, 7:30pm - TSN4, Fan 590

[CarltonTheBear]

No because it's a super important thing that the Leafs didn't do just none of them noticed until well after the game when it was publicized.

Even still, these guys all have Nonis' cell phone number, Dion's too I'm sure. You'd think if Traikos called and said "Hey I'm about to publish an article saying you hate your fans, any comment?" that somebody would have been happy to provide a quote saying that's not true.

 

[bustaheims]

All these articles based on a theory the media made that the Leafs did this as an FU to the fans. Also, not a single quote from anybody from within the Leafs organization. This guys have access to the team right? Have they bothered to ask what's up here?

The only quote I could find, from an unnamed player, was that they wanted to change things up after a losing streak.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The only quote I could find, from an unnamed player, was that they wanted to change things up after a losing streak.

I'm sure we'll get some actual quotes after practice today, but still all the damage has been done.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  11 minutes ago
It's REALLY dumb so many talking about TOR players not saluting fans, but not half as dumb as players picking THAT moment to alter routine.

Say it ain't so Bob!

Following possibly the two worst back-to-back games this team has ever played isn't a good time to change routines?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  11 minutes ago
It's REALLY dumb so many talking about TOR players not saluting fans, but not half as dumb as players picking THAT moment to alter routine.

Say it ain't so Bob!

Following possibly the two worst back-to-back games this team has ever played isn't a good time to change routines?

None of these people have yet made an argument why this matters.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

None of these people have yet made an argument why this matters.

It hurts the fans feelings. You know, the ones who didn't know they were angry until they turned on sports radio this morning.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

None of these people have yet made an argument why this matters.

It hurts the fans feelings. You know, the ones who didn't know they were angry until they turned on sports radio this morning.

I could understand if the paying customers at the ACC started booing or something when the players left the ice.  But isn't the fact that nothing happened a pretty good indication that fans don't really care about it?

 

[bustaheims]

I could understand if the paying customers at the ACC started booing or something when the players left the ice.  But isn't the fact that nothing happened a pretty good indication that fans don't really care about it?

My guess is the overwhelming majority of the fans that were at the game didn't even notice or realize that anything "unusual" happened. This whole thing is totally media created. They're the only reason this is even a story.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I could understand if the paying customers at the ACC started booing or something when the players left the ice.  But isn't the fact that nothing happened a pretty good indication that fans don't really care about it?

It's 2014. In the hour following the game there were 15 tweets with the words "salute" and "leafs". 9 of them were either from a member of the media or a fan responding to a media member who posted about it. Just 2 of them indicated that the fan was angry.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I could understand if the paying customers at the ACC started booing or something when the players left the ice.  But isn't the fact that nothing happened a pretty good indication that fans don't really care about it?

It's 2014. In the hour following the game there were 15 tweets with the words "salute" and "leafs". 9 of them were either from a member of the media or a fan responding to a media member who posted about it. Just 2 of them indicated that the fan was angry.

I guess they just didn't know yet how angry they should have been.  Luckily the media is here to remind them.

 

[bustaheims]

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

Guys on the radio made a note that the players didn't do the huddle and stick raise to the fans at the end of the game which is the norm for a home game win.

well that's just stupid if it was intentional

I'm not that against it.

If getting pissed at their own fans gets them up for home games (and 5-2 wins against league leading teams) I'll take it.

Obviously the support part wasn't really doing it for them.

it won't be what does it.  because the problem with the leafs is a little deeper than just wanting to win games.  so i think that hypothetical doesn't really matter much

 

[Highlander]

when did this ritual of saluting the fans start (and don't say ancient Rome) with the Leafs?
I don't remember seeing them do this up until recently.
Is it really necessary?

 

[ZBBM]

What the team should have done is skate en masse to center ice and give the salute before the opening face off.  You know, to thank the fans for even showing up after the last two games.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This has to be the greatest tweet on this situation. Seconds after Phaneuf says the decision to not salute the crowd wasn't an attack on fans:

Rob Longley ‏@longleysunsport  9 minutes ago
Pjhaneuf said fan snub was a group decision

Complete with Rob spelling Phaneuf's name wrong because he was in such a hurry to press tweet.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

This has to be the greatest tweet on this situation. Seconds after Phaneuf says the decision to not salute the crowd wasn't an attack on fans:

Rob Longley ‏@longleysunsport  9 minutes ago
Pjhaneuf said fan snub was a group decision

Complete with Rob spelling Phaneuf's name wrong because he was in such a hurry to press tweet.

What a rag.

 

[Kin]

Is it really necessary?

Of course not but as much as some people might like to pretend that the narrative that's emerging is that the salute is really important to fans or that fans are really offended that's pretty baldly disingenuous. Why it's being discussed is the running story regarding the jerseys being thrown and the reaction from the players to it. If this decision was a result of that, what does it say about the players? What does it say about the fans? What does it say about the ongoing contentious issue of what effect the fans of Toronto have on the team?

 

[Kin]

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  11 minutes ago
It's REALLY dumb so many talking about TOR players not saluting fans, but not half as dumb as players picking THAT moment to alter routine.

Say it ain't so Bob!

Following possibly the two worst back-to-back games this team has ever played isn't a good time to change routines?

Are you seriously making the case that a meaningful change to make after two of the worst performances in the team's recent history is to switch up what they do post-victory? The nod to the fans that is being pretty thoroughly derided as meaningless?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Are you seriously making the case that a meaningful change to make after two of the worst performances in the team's recent history is to switch up what they do post-victory?

I never said it was a meaningful change to make, so no.

 

[Bill_Berg]

They better salute the fans twice the next time they win at home. They do the Jagr salute right?