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bustaheims
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Fanatic said:
Or, you know, maybe once the team doctors had to chance to take a real good look at what the damage was, they decided to shut him down for that time.
bustaheims
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lc9 said:
Except, that's not true - the Leafs had an extra centre playing on the wing in Lombardi. Heck, they still have an extra centre playing on the wing in Dupuis.
louisstamos
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Fanatic said:
To be fair; while playing hockey in October, I was tripped near the end of my last game and landed awkwardly on my hand, which hurt a lot. I toughed it out and played one more shift.
The next day, I found out my thumb was actually broken in two.
It's amazing what you can play through when you're in the adrenaline of the game.
maplesyrup
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Fanatic said:
... Or unlucky. Or Both... I really don't know. All I know is its really, really aggravating.
Strangelove
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Busta Reims said:
Do we know what the damage was this time around? I'm having a hard time picturing what the doctors might be looking at.
In any case, Connolly is about as fragile as one could imagine an NHL player being (even if you don't want to call him 'soft'). He may be/have been worth the risk, but it's looking less and less likely that he'll be worth the pricetag in the end.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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Floyd said:
Man, Burke's free agent signings have so far been not working out at all:
Bauchemin - awful
Komisarek - awful
Armstrong - effective when in the line up which is rare these days
Conolly - Mr.Glass
Gustovsson - Toskala stats don't lie
Bozak - totally invisible when not on the first line
Only MaCarthur seems to have worked out.
Burke seems to have more luck on trades.
bustaheims
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Yes, because clearly, players are great at giving such specific time frames for when they're likely to be able to return and the team's doctors never have any say as to whether or not a player is fit enough to play. Also, it means we have to ignore the fact that players can not be placed on IR without the team's doctor's consent.
But, obviously, the reason Connolly is on the IR has absolutely nothing to do with the recommendations of the medical staff, and it's clearly and solely because "the guy is soft."
bustaheims
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Strangelove said:
Well, they must have been looking for and found something, otherwise the team wouldn't have been allowed to place him on the IR.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky said:
Let me amend one of the above for you:
Signing Beauchemin -- awesome. This signing was turned in to Lupul and Gardiner.
Signing a few free agents and having some of them duds and some of them turn in to assets that could be traded to other teams for younger up-and-coming assets is a great way to slowly revitalize a franchise that was thoroughly devoid of talent at all levels.
maplesyrup
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Bozak doesn't strike me as a particularly bad signing either but yeah, I wish Burke's track record with the Leafs in that department was better.
I can't stand up and vouch for the Lebda signing, but it did very little damage -- short term, small money contract.
Given the information known at the time, Bozak, Gus, Scrivens, Oduw... whatever-his-name-is-goalie, Rynnas are all signings I would make again in the same situation. The goalies give us cheap, waiver-free goalie depth where we had none: a low-cost, no-risk upgrade.
I wish Bozak was a 1st-line player. He's not but that doesn't mean he was a bad signing because signing young, waiver-exempt free agents has a pretty similar risk-reward status as drafting a 3rd-rounder. We don't see teams turning down 3rd round draft picks just because only 10-20% of them ever see a single game in the NHL, do we?
The one signing that really hurt the leafs was Komisarek. It hurt them in 2 ways: (1) they traded Kubina for a negative return when he was a good player and if they'd held on to him they might have been able to ship him out at the deadline for a 2nd rounder (or he might just have played out the string with the leafs with better results than Komi) and (2) he has a long contract and it seems he can't be demoted to the minors to clear his cap space.
Armstrong: The fact that he is injured is not Burke's fault. He played 80, 72, 82, 79 games before coming to the leafs. no one has a crystal ball; players get injured. You can't blame it on the GM.
Given the information known at the time, Bozak, Gus, Scrivens, Oduw... whatever-his-name-is-goalie, Rynnas are all signings I would make again in the same situation. The goalies give us cheap, waiver-free goalie depth where we had none: a low-cost, no-risk upgrade.
I wish Bozak was a 1st-line player. He's not but that doesn't mean he was a bad signing because signing young, waiver-exempt free agents has a pretty similar risk-reward status as drafting a 3rd-rounder. We don't see teams turning down 3rd round draft picks just because only 10-20% of them ever see a single game in the NHL, do we?
The one signing that really hurt the leafs was Komisarek. It hurt them in 2 ways: (1) they traded Kubina for a negative return when he was a good player and if they'd held on to him they might have been able to ship him out at the deadline for a 2nd rounder (or he might just have played out the string with the leafs with better results than Komi) and (2) he has a long contract and it seems he can't be demoted to the minors to clear his cap space.
Armstrong: The fact that he is injured is not Burke's fault. He played 80, 72, 82, 79 games before coming to the leafs. no one has a crystal ball; players get injured. You can't blame it on the GM.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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princedpw said:
Did Burke sign Beuchamin knowing well in advance he will get Lupul and Gardiner 2 years later? If not, then the signing was a fail. Same with Lebda. If we trade Komisarek next year for some young D man doesn't mean Komisarek's stay here was a success. Remember that Komisarek's and Beuchamin's abysmal play was one of the reasons why Leafs finished 29th in the league and handed the Bruins 2nd overall pick.
Zee
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Mikhail Bloodnovsky said:
Still, it says a lot about Burke that he's willing to move his mistakes to make it right. When Beauchemin and Komisarek were first signed I thought it was a great move, two veteran d-men with some past success would bring stability to the Leafs D. I think a lot of fans believed that. It didn't work out that way, but Burke turned the Beauchemin mistake into a positive acquiring Lupul and Gardiner for him.
There are some GMs who wouldn't quickly abandon a player they recently signed as a UFA or it might admit a mistake on their part. Burke has no such hang ups, if he makes a mistake he'll try and fix it.
The Versteeg deal is another example of this. Burke traded him the same year that we got him since he wasn't working out as we had hoped.
Mikhail Bloodnovsky
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Zee said:
I'm not questioning Brian Burke's stubborness. I'm just pointing out his free agent signings have been underwhelming to say the least.
Highlander
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where can we find the info on Colbourne's injury?
maplesyrup
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Highlander said:
I doun't know.
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