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Saint Nik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I personally wouldn't give him even as charitable response as that. Cody just flunked the attitude test, and he did it in public.  Not good.
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I don't think it's as simple as that. I think there's something to be said for a guy who's in Franson's position being upset with how things are playing out. It's pretty natural for NHL players to want to play. If Franson were Brett Lebda and lucky to have a job, sure, but that's not the case here.

It's probably not the most politic decision to air things in public but I can't fault him for the attitude.
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Especially when it's not like he's this highly-regarded NHL mainstay. He's still a kid, albeit apparently a very talented one, who is still looking to find his niche, and in the last year of his contract. Of course he's going to be upset about sitting around in his suit and tie when he should, arguably, be firmly in the top four or five d-men on the team.
 
crazyperfectdevil said:
there is of course no problem with a guy wanting to play..but he should not be airing this in the press...
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I don't really have a problem with it, other than the talk of agents and being patient. He was obviously approached and asked to comment on the situation specifically and he gave an honest answer. He probably still has a thing or two to learn about dealing with the Toronto media now that he's not doing email interviews with the part-time advice columnist/hockey beat writer at the Nashville Tumbleweed.
 
Bonsixx said:
Saint Nik said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I personally wouldn't give him even as charitable response as that. Cody just flunked the attitude test, and he did it in public.  Not good.
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I don't think it's as simple as that. I think there's something to be said for a guy who's in Franson's position being upset with how things are playing out. It's pretty natural for NHL players to want to play. If Franson were Brett Lebda and lucky to have a job, sure, but that's not the case here.

It's probably not the most politic decision to air things in public but I can't fault him for the attitude.
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Especially when it's not like he's this highly-regarded NHL mainstay. He's still a kid, albeit apparently a very talented one, who is still looking to find his niche, and in the last year of his contract. Of course he's going to be upset about sitting around in his suit and tie when he should, arguably, be firmly in the top four or five d-men on the team.
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Gardiner has got to go back to the Marlies. He's by far the easiest to send down right now and can easily come up when an injury arises.
 
Erndog said:
If we packaged Kadri + Franson/Gunnar/Aulie + maybe something else half-decent what do you think we could realistically get? 

I think that's the problem Burke is having.  He probably wants to package a couple things to get a sure-fire upgrade but whatever is being offered out their is not a sure-fire upgrade.  He's probably getting offers that are equivalent to guys like Lombardi, or Lupul or MacArthur and then it's just more of the same for us.  What we really need is a bonafide 1st liner but we likely don't have the quality of available assets to acquire one.
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I wonder if Edmonton are interested in making a deal with Toronto to upgrade their defense. Anyone think if there is a deal to be made there? Perhaps to bring in a guy like Eberle?  Anyone want to take a stab at what players we would need to part with to make that happen?
 
RedLeaf said:
Erndog said:
If we packaged Kadri + Franson/Gunnar/Aulie + maybe something else half-decent what do you think we could realistically get? 

I think that's the problem Burke is having.  He probably wants to package a couple things to get a sure-fire upgrade but whatever is being offered out their is not a sure-fire upgrade.  He's probably getting offers that are equivalent to guys like Lombardi, or Lupul or MacArthur and then it's just more of the same for us.  What we really need is a bonafide 1st liner but we likely don't have the quality of available assets to acquire one.
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I wonder if Edmonton are interested in making a deal with Toronto to upgrade their defense. Anyone think if there is a deal to be made there? Perhaps to bring in a guy like Eberle?  Anyone want to take a shot at what players we would need to part with to make that happen?
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I'm starting to get tired of all the top selections hype from the Oilers. To be quite honest I think a good chunk of those kids will not develop into anything outside of serviceable NHL players. I know they're still young but I think it's crazy they're putting so much faith in their prospects partially based on the hype they receive at the draft. They really need a few more vets to develop their prospects.

I wouldn't do Schenn for Eberle imo. Seems like a sideways move for me. I'd look at a player of a higher calibre if we're trading Schenn. If we're going to trade him at all we might as well shoot the moon.
 
BlueWhiteBlood said:
I think you'd have to severely overpay to get Eberle, if you even ever could get him.
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I think he's overrated to be perfectly honest. His WJC career makes people think he's a sure fire superstar. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but probably not worth all the hype. We'll see.
 
I think the problem with making a deal with Edmonton is that they're as desperate for a star player as the Leafs are. To acquire a player with that kind of upside you probably would have to throw in a player with similar upside.
 
Saint Nik said:
I think the problem with making a deal with Edmonton is that they're as desperate for a star player as the Leafs are. To acquire a player with that kind of upside you probably would have to throw in a player with similar upside.
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What are you thinking? Something like Gardiner for Eberle straight up?
 
RedLeaf said:
Saint Nik said:
I think the problem with making a deal with Edmonton is that they're as desperate for a star player as the Leafs are. To acquire a player with that kind of upside you probably would have to throw in a player with similar upside.
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What are you thinking? Something like Gardiner for Eberle straight up?
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I don't know if the Leafs have a player like that to be honest. Eberle just scored 43 points in 70 games as a rookie.
 
McPwnage said:
I don't think eberle is that good honestly.  Not worth schenn alone never mind + a forward.
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I disagree. I think he's getting overshadowed by the likes of Hopkins and Hall right now. 43 pts in his first NHL season is pretty good. Kessel got 29 pts in his 1st season.
 
RedLeaf said:
McPwnage said:
I don't think eberle is that good honestly.  Not worth schenn alone never mind + a forward.
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I disagree. I think he's getting overshadowed by the likes of Hopkins and Hall right now. 43 pts in his first NHL season is pretty good. Kessel got 29 pts in his 1st season.
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Petr Prucha had similar numbers.

Not to take anything away from Eberle - maybe I haven't seen him play enough, but there are better players out there. If we're going to go for a first line player in my mind it isn't Jordan Eberle.
 
Bender said:
Petr Prucha had similar numbers.
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Prucha was also 23 years old and on a line with the league's best player. Eberle was 20 and on the Edmonton Oilers.
 
Bender said:
Not to take anything away from Eberle - maybe I haven't seen him play enough, but there are better players out there. If we're going to go for a first line player in my mind it isn't Jordan Eberle.
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Personally, I think it's that you haven't watched him that close or enough. He is an exceptional talent from what I've seen. He was awesome during the WJC, but he scored some pretty goals last season and has some really good moves. I also think his hockey sense is above average for sure, he's going to be a gamer from where I'm watching. I could be wrong, but he's really, really good.
 
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