Luke Schenn Traded to Flyers for JVR!!!

[seahawk]

The Leafs took on the bigger cap hit, granted only 600k or so, along with 2 extra years for a guy who makes Carlo Colaiacovo look healthy. I would like to have seen a future 4th round pick come back. Luke Schenn is just another example of a top prospect who got rushed to the big club. He really could have used a year or 2 at the AHL level first. Hopefully that history doesn't repeat itself anytime soon.

 

[ZBBM]

We gave up on Schenn a year too early.  Anyone who spent his career within the clownshow defensive "system" that was Wilson's can be forgiven for so-called regressing.

We are now left with Komi as the lone defensive defenseman. ugh ugh ugh

I won't go quite as far as Nik but I agree that this weekend has been less than stellar.

 

[princedpw]

I'm a bit curious as to why the Flyers gave up on JVR so quickly. Any accounts of Flyers fans being all over JVR? He was a fan favorite wasn't he?

They have lots of forwards?

Giroux, Briere, Hartnell, Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds and Read.

If you want to get a read on some relatively intelligent Flyers fans, go take a look at the 500+ comments here: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2012/6/23/3113368/james-van-riemsdyk-trade-luke-schenn-flyers-leafs-holy-crap

There are some mixed opinions but:

-- JVR has a contract that pays him on potential and he hasn't quite reached it

-- he plays at a solid 2nd-line forward rate; pro-rated and given his icetime, you could argue he is (or almost is) playing at a first-line rate already

-- his top-line stats are a little worse this year but there is some statistical evidence he is actually playing a little better with worse line mates and against quite tough competition

-- the flyers needed a big solid dman; they hope Schenn can develop in to a top 2-3 defenseman; if he does they feel they will have won the trade

-- a number of people were hoping to ge more for JVR

-- but (almost) everyone seems to see risk and uncertainty on both sides

 

[princedpw]

Oh, and the cap hit differential was mentioned as a positive that will help them find space to sign Carle and perhaps another guy.

 

[Madferret]

I'm a bit curious as to why the Flyers gave up on JVR so quickly. Any accounts of Flyers fans being all over JVR? He was a fan favorite wasn't he?

They have lots of forwards?

Giroux, Briere, Hartnell, Schenn, Couturier, Voracek, Simmonds and Read.

If you want to get a read on some relatively intelligent Flyers fans, go take a look at the 500+ comments here: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2012/6/23/3113368/james-van-riemsdyk-trade-luke-schenn-flyers-leafs-holy-crap

There are some mixed opinions but:

-- JVR has a contract that pays him on potential and he hasn't quite reached it

-- he plays at a solid 2nd-line forward rate; pro-rated and given his icetime, you could argue he is (or almost is) playing at a first-line rate already

-- his top-line stats are a little worse this year but there is some statistical evidence he is actually playing a little better with worse line mates and against quite tough competition

-- the flyers needed a big solid dman; they hope Schenn can develop in to a top 2-3 defenseman; if he does they feel they will have won the trade

-- a number of people were hoping to ge more for JVR

-- but (almost) everyone seems to see risk and uncertainty on both sides

Thanks!

 

[Wendel's Fist]

We gave up on Schenn a year too early.  Anyone who spent his career within the clownshow defensive "system" that was Wilson's can be forgiven for so-called regressing.

We are now left with Komi as the lone defensive defenseman. ugh ugh ugh

I won't go quite as far as Nik but I agree that this weekend has been less than stellar.

I like the JVR deal but until we get a real #1 center and a real goalie, I'm not going to be doing cartwheels down Yonge Street.

I'm on the same page as you are with what Burke has to bring. It gets frustrating as all hell to see Burke talk about what upgrades need to be done without ever actually upgrading those positions.

Like I said, I like JVR deal but if Tyler Bozak is our #1 center next year then what's the point? I remember back when Bozak was supposed to be a "found wallet." I had no idea that he'd be our first line center for years to come.

Burke saying that he'd be confident with a Reimer/Scrivens tandem is absolute BS too. I know around one billionth about hockey compared to Burke and I'm not confident with that tandem. Why in all bloody hell would he be?

Can't say I loved the #5 draft pick but you can't really complain about a kid with that much talent either.

There's plenty of time before the season starts so we'll see what Burke can really do under pressure.

 

[Bonsixx]

Really though, JVR is one of the best offensive prospects in the league right now, and we got him for a guy I think everyone was cursing this past year.

Now that Duchene has signed a deal, maybe the Leafs can go out and get Paul Stastny now. Then we have a top six.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

It gets frustrating as all hell to see Burke talk about what upgrades need to be done without ever actually upgrading those positions.

Surely it's not worth getting that frustrated over.  Would it make you feel any better if Burke didn't talk about upgrades need to be done?

I mean, for the most part everyone here is intelligent enough.  We can figure out that just the mere fact Burke says he wants to upgrade in a certain position is not going to cause the seas to part and reveal the perfect player for that position.

Just because he says he wants to do something, doesn't mean it's going to happen right away, or ever.  There has to be availability, there has to be other teams willing, there has to be negotiation.

It shouldn't be news that when a GM says they want to try and do something that it might not work out.

 

[hockeyfan1]

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Van Riemsdyk said he has played with Gardiner, Brown and Kessel's brother so he knows a few of the Leafs.

13m James Mirtle James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

JVR says he "thinks the world of Holmgren and doesn't have anything bad to say about him."
 
33m James Mirtle James Mirtle ‏@mirtle

Van Riemsdyk: "To go to a place like Toronto is unbelievably exciting for me... It's basically like playing for the NY Yankees of the NHL."

Good attitude, good player, good deal. 

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Good hockey deal, if JVR can stay healthy I think we'll win this one clearly when all is said and done.

 

[Wendel's Fist]

It gets frustrating as all hell to see Burke talk about what upgrades need to be done without ever actually upgrading those positions.

Surely it's not worth getting that frustrated over.  Would it make you feel any better if Burke didn't talk about upgrades need to be done?

I mean, for the most part everyone here is intelligent enough.  We can figure out that just the mere fact Burke says he wants to upgrade in a certain position is not going to cause the seas to part and reveal the perfect player for that position.

Just because he says he wants to do something, doesn't mean it's going to happen right away, or ever.  There has to be availability, there has to be other teams willing, there has to be negotiation.

It shouldn't be news that when a GM says they want to try and do something that it might not work out.

Yeah but I remember Burke on a CP24 interview just before last season started. I can't remember who the good looking girl was who interviewed him but she asked what would happen if the Reimer/Gustavsson tandem didn't work out. Burke replied with......(I'm paraphrasing).........I can get a goalie with a draft pick. It isn't hard to get a goalie.

Really Brian?? Show me or shut up.

Nobody told Burke to say that. He doesn't have to go out of his way to say half of what he does.

The same way he Bs'd about picking Rielly or Reilly first overall.

Yeah, I'm sure that would have happened.

If you believe that then God Bless you, Potvin.

 

[Tigger]

I'm going to miss Luke, stand up kid with a bright future. I'm glad for him that he'll get to play with his brother, I really hate to say it but I wish him the best in Philly.

JVR, well, let's hope he gets healthy.

 

[maplesyrup]

Early on, I'm going to hate hating Schenn.

 

[Corn Flake]

Really though, JVR is one of the best offensive prospects in the league right now, and we got him for a guy I think everyone was cursing this past year.

That's just it.. Schenn was trending towards probably not reaching top four potential.. maaaaybe being a #4 guy if he could consistently play at the best he had played in his 4 years here... and maybe a 20 point d-man... and in turn the Leafs get the big power forward winger they have been trying to land for 2+ years now who has 30 goal potential written all over him. 

Try to propose this trade without knowing what we knew 2 months ago the laughter would have filled up 10 boards. 

Now that Duchene has signed a deal, maybe the Leafs can go out and get Paul Stastny now. Then we have a top six.

Hmmmmm.... with JVR on board it feels like Stastny would make a touch more sense than it did 2 days ago.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'd be in favour of Stastny but his cap hit strikes me as ideal for a team in Colorado's particular situation. I can't see them moving him unless substantial salary goes back. 

 

[Corn Flake]

I'd be in favour of Stastny but his cap hit strikes me as ideal for a team in Colorado's particular situation. I can't see them moving him unless substantial salary goes back.

O'Reilly is the guy they need to sign first before they move Stastny, IMO.

If we could move Connolly in that trade...............???  hmmmmm again.

 

[maplesyrup]

Now shipping Connolly out would REALLY get me charged about this off-season.  Now, failing Burke landing a true #1, I suppose JVR gives us another option at camp. We could (not ideal) but could just have all six of Grabovski, Bozak, JVR, Kadri, Colborne, Connolly duke it out for the top two centre spots.

 

[goaliedave]

It gets frustrating as all hell to see Burke talk about what upgrades need to be done without ever actually upgrading those positions.

Surely it's not worth getting that frustrated over.  Would it make you feel any better if Burke didn't talk about upgrades need to be done?

I mean, for the most part everyone here is intelligent enough.  We can figure out that just the mere fact Burke says he wants to upgrade in a certain position is not going to cause the seas to part and reveal the perfect player for that position.

Just because he says he wants to do something, doesn't mean it's going to happen right away, or ever.  There has to be availability, there has to be other teams willing, there has to be negotiation.

It shouldn't be news that when a GM says they want to try and do something that it might not work out.

Yeah but I remember Burke on a CP24 interview just before last season started. I can't remember who the good looking girl was who interviewed him but she asked what would happen if the Reimer/Gustavsson tandem didn't work out. Burke replied with......(I'm paraphrasing).........I can get a goalie with a draft pick. It isn't hard to get a goalie.

Really Brian?? Show me or shut up.

Nobody told Burke to say that. He doesn't have to go out of his way to say half of what he does.

The same way he Bs'd about picking Rielly or Reilly first overall.

Yeah, I'm sure that would have happened.

If you believe that then God Bless you, Potvin.

Still believe that Reimer is a bona fide #1 NHL goalie.He never got untracked after the concussion or whatever it was last year.Let's not forget that he was playing behind a pretty bad defense too.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think we should also keep in mind that Bozak just might take another leap this season and be even better than he has in the last season. He had 47 points or so last season, if he adds 10-20 points onto that total, there wouldn't be much separating him from other top centers. Obviously his physicality won't be in line with other top centers, but point production could reach that level IMO.

People disagreed with me last season that Bozak would bounce back, which I think he did.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think we should also keep in mind that Bozak just might take another leap this season and be even better than he has in the last season. He had 47 points or so last season, if he adds 10-20 points onto that total, there wouldn't be much separating him from other top centers. Obviously his physicality won't be in line with other top centers, but point production could reach that level IMO.

It's possible and maybe for that reason, we shouldn't sell the farm for just any "#1 centre." Sure, if something comes available that improves the team then you do it but I don't know if there is as much pressure there as some folks think there is.