Marlies Training Camp Thread

[caver]

I'm surprised no Toronto paper has gotten a quote from Gary Roberts about the Kadri deal. Have they given up stirring the pot?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

 

[Jalili]

I'm surprised no Toronto paper has gotten a quote from Gary Roberts about the Kadri deal. Have they given up stirring the pot?

I doubt Roberts really cares all that much, and probably would've declined to comment if the media contacted him. The whole situation has been overblown but in the end it's not as if it's going to have any effect on his business.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Not sure this belongs in this thread but apparently Sportsnet will be airing Marlies games starting Oct. 13. First game of the season is on Sportsnet One.

Sportsnet One? So first there's a lockout of the NHL teams and I can't watch the Leafs opener and now they're putting a less premium product on a premium station? Not happy, and out of anger I will watch all Marlies games free on the internet to boycott this kind of gouging.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

I can see your point.  He has finishers as line mates in Winnipeg and I believe they are playing him on the wing.  That way he can stick to play making and doesn't get out matched defensively.  Toronto was playing him at his natural position of centre other then the brief times he played with sundin.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Not sure this belongs in this thread but apparently Sportsnet will be airing Marlies games starting Oct. 13. First game of the season is on Sportsnet One.

Sportsnet One? So first there's a lockout of the NHL teams and I can't watch the Leafs opener and now they're putting a less premium product on a premium station? Not happy, and out of anger I will watch all Marlies games free on the internet to boycott this kind of gouging.

They do MLB playoffs, so I'm guessing there may be an MLB playoff game they are already showing on that date.

 

[bustaheims]

Sportsnet One? So first there's a lockout of the NHL teams and I can't watch the Leafs opener and now they're putting a less premium product on a premium station? Not happy, and out of anger I will watch all Marlies games free on the internet to boycott this kind of gouging.

When did Sportsnet One become a premium station? It's always been their backup - like TSN2 to TSN. It doesn't cost extra - if you get Sportsnet Ontario, you get Sportsnet One. It's never been the channel they put what they expect to be the big draw on - and the MLB playoffs is almost certainly going to be a bigger draw than an October AHL game.

 

[Bullfrog]

Kadri playing in the NHL, discourages all those young guys that are giving it 110%.  I'd personally try to trade him.

Sure it's frustrating when a more talented individual has success while not trying as hard as you, but in the end, he's still got more talent. Given that Kadri is far from securing a permanent NHL job, I doubt its very discouraging.

 

[Bender]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

Obviously his role is different now, it's highly diminished and he's nothing more than a role player and I don't think you can blame it on the Leafs when the guy made a comparison that Gretzky never had to weight train.

His success has never been more than marginal since his excellent 48 game season with the Leafs. He bounced from Vancouver who demoted him twice AFAIK over fitness concerns, didn't stick with SJ and now that he's considered a success story for ONE season out of the last 6, it's purely based on Winnipeg using him right?

I'm sorry but based on all the information, I'd have to call this extremely simplistic. Maybe he was scared to death of playing in the KHL again.

 

[lamajama]

I hate to bring the Wings organization into it but I suppose that you
could consider them the classiest or most highly thought-of in the league - and you don't see them publicly slamming their top prospect nor engaging in
name-calling with ex-coaches. Perhaps the scrutiny of the press is the difference but it's getting harder to perceive the improvements BB has brought the organization. UFA's certainly don't.

No. Devellano only called the players cattle. Real classy. Maybe we should look at the Wings with more than just the rose coloured glasses that we seem to have on.

Yes - stupid analogy but that was a "general" comment - not a specific
player. My original point still is valid. Even if the Leafs are "fed up" with Kadri why diminish the asset's value? The Province newspaper here in BC had an article on Burke calling out players etc when he was with the Canucks as GM and noted that all of them went on to better careers with other teams. Great managing. Oh and he couldn't find a goaltender out here either.

 

[caver]

I'm surprised no Toronto paper has gotten a quote from Gary Roberts about the Kadri deal. Have they given up stirring the pot?

I doubt Roberts really cares all that much, and probably would've declined to comment if the media contacted him. The whole situation has been overblown but in the end it's not as if it's going to have any effect on his business.

You may be right,Snoop. Roberts might not care to jump into this fray. But I think he did jump in when Vancouver made some comments about Cody Hodgson.

 

[seahawk]

Sportsnet One? So first there's a lockout of the NHL teams and I can't watch the Leafs opener and now they're putting a less premium product on a premium station? Not happy, and out of anger I will watch all Marlies games free on the internet to boycott this kind of gouging.

When did Sportsnet One become a premium station? It's always been their backup - like TSN2 to TSN. It doesn't cost extra - if you get Sportsnet Ontario, you get Sportsnet One. It's never been the channel they put what they expect to be the big draw on - and the MLB playoffs is almost certainly going to be a bigger draw than an October AHL game.

Actually that's not correct. With Rogers, you can get SNO on Basic, but have to have VIP in order to get SN1.

 

[bustaheims]

Actually that's not correct. With Rogers, you can get SNO on Basic, but have to have VIP in order to get SN1.

Weird. I swear, it used to be part of the basic package. Still, I wouldn't consider it a premium channel. It's always been for their secondary broadcasts.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

Obviously his role is different now, it's highly diminished and he's nothing more than a role player and I don't think you can blame it on the Leafs when the guy made a comparison that Gretzky never had to weight train.

His success has never been more than marginal since his excellent 48 game season with the Leafs. He bounced from Vancouver who demoted him twice AFAIK over fitness concerns, didn't stick with SJ and now that he's considered a success story for ONE season out of the last 6, it's purely based on Winnipeg using him right?

I'm sorry but based on all the information, I'd have to call this extremely simplistic. Maybe he was scared to death of playing in the KHL again.

I think we're basically stating the same thing but from different angles. I highlighted his 'successes' because I'm not 100% sure they can be called that.

My point is, he's never changed his style...his role has been changed. My other point was, perhaps the Leafs expected to much out of the pudgy feller.

His goal totals have never really changed from year to year since he was with the Leafs other than 2 seasons ago in San Jose(though in a full season, he was on pace for over 10 goals). He's consistently been a 10 - 20 goal scorer in the league and perhaps that's all he was/is. Toronto saw some early success and thought...wow if only he could drop 20lbs, we'd have a gold mine.

That doesn't remove the fact that he had a bad attitude about his physical fitness. And it doesn't remove the fact that Kadri appears to as well(though I'm not sure if it's to the same degree).

It also doesn't remove the fact that a 'no comment' would of been a better answer from Eakins IMO

 

[Bender]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

Obviously his role is different now, it's highly diminished and he's nothing more than a role player and I don't think you can blame it on the Leafs when the guy made a comparison that Gretzky never had to weight train.

His success has never been more than marginal since his excellent 48 game season with the Leafs. He bounced from Vancouver who demoted him twice AFAIK over fitness concerns, didn't stick with SJ and now that he's considered a success story for ONE season out of the last 6, it's purely based on Winnipeg using him right?

I'm sorry but based on all the information, I'd have to call this extremely simplistic. Maybe he was scared to death of playing in the KHL again.

I think we're basically stating the same thing but from different angles. I highlighted his 'successes' because I'm not 100% sure they can be called that.

My point is, he's never changed his style...his role has been changed. My other point was, perhaps the Leafs expected to much out of the pudgy feller.

His goal totals have never really changed from year to year since he was with the Leafs other than 2 seasons ago in San Jose(though in a full season, he was on pace for over 10 goals). He's consistently been a 10 - 20 goal scorer in the league and perhaps that's all he was/is. Toronto saw some early success and thought...wow if only he could drop 20lbs, we'd have a gold mine.

That doesn't remove the fact that he had a bad attitude about his physical fitness. And it doesn't remove the fact that Kadri appears to as well(though I'm not sure if it's to the same degree).

It also doesn't remove the fact that a 'no comment' would of been a better answer from Eakins IMO

To each their own, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Eakins' comment.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Whether or not putting it in the media was a ploy of Eakins(I'd like to think it was because he's a tool if not), I don't know too many people that respond well from being publicly embarrassed.

If Kadri's body fat % is an issue, then it should be addressed, but talking to the media is an idiotic ploy. I'd say it sounds like a Wellwood situation, just not as extreme.

Yeah, Wellwood seemed pretty in shape with the Jets.

I think Wellwood's 'success' the last couple of seasons was the result using him in roles that he could handle. Toronto wanted his playmaking skills to somehow translate into speed and agressiveness. That wasn't going to happen with Wellwood.

I don't know where you got that. Tbh, Toronto wanted him to stop not giving a Frig about fitness.

It's just my own viewpoint on the matter. Wellwood has had some success no matter where he's gone. No kidding they wanted him to start caring about his fitness. But if you think his role isn't different now then what the Leafs wanted him to be, I think you're mistaken.

Obviously his role is different now, it's highly diminished and he's nothing more than a role player and I don't think you can blame it on the Leafs when the guy made a comparison that Gretzky never had to weight train.

His success has never been more than marginal since his excellent 48 game season with the Leafs. He bounced from Vancouver who demoted him twice AFAIK over fitness concerns, didn't stick with SJ and now that he's considered a success story for ONE season out of the last 6, it's purely based on Winnipeg using him right?

I'm sorry but based on all the information, I'd have to call this extremely simplistic. Maybe he was scared to death of playing in the KHL again.

I think we're basically stating the same thing but from different angles. I highlighted his 'successes' because I'm not 100% sure they can be called that.

My point is, he's never changed his style...his role has been changed. My other point was, perhaps the Leafs expected to much out of the pudgy feller.

His goal totals have never really changed from year to year since he was with the Leafs other than 2 seasons ago in San Jose(though in a full season, he was on pace for over 10 goals). He's consistently been a 10 - 20 goal scorer in the league and perhaps that's all he was/is. Toronto saw some early success and thought...wow if only he could drop 20lbs, we'd have a gold mine.

That doesn't remove the fact that he had a bad attitude about his physical fitness. And it doesn't remove the fact that Kadri appears to as well(though I'm not sure if it's to the same degree).

It also doesn't remove the fact that a 'no comment' would of been a better answer from Eakins IMO

To each their own, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Eakins' comment.

Though I can see where your coming from. Perhaps it's their last ditch effort at getting through to the kid that he needs to smarten up. Perhaps every other avenue has been looked at/attempted.

And perhaps it's the media making a mountain out of a molehill. But that rarely happens in Toronto.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Sportsnet One? So first there's a lockout of the NHL teams and I can't watch the Leafs opener and now they're putting a less premium product on a premium station? Not happy, and out of anger I will watch all Marlies games free on the internet to boycott this kind of gouging.

When did Sportsnet One become a premium station? It's always been their backup - like TSN2 to TSN. It doesn't cost extra - if you get Sportsnet Ontario, you get Sportsnet One. It's never been the channel they put what they expect to be the big draw on - and the MLB playoffs is almost certainly going to be a bigger draw than an October AHL game.

Listen, I want to be angry at the owners for anything and everything. Whether or not I'm completely wrong is besides the point. Stop raining on my anger parade.

In all seriousness I was totally wrong. For some reason I thought I didn't get that channel. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[bustaheims]

Listen, I want to be angry at the owners for anything and everything. Whether or not I'm completely wrong is besides the point. Stop raining on my anger parade.

In all seriousness I was totally wrong. For some reason I thought I didn't get that channel. Thanks for the heads up.

Hey, I'm all for being irrationally angry if that's what makes you happy. I'm just saying that, if you're going to do so, stick to things where there's a lot of grey area. It's more fun that way.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

First preseason game vs. the Bulldogs tonight in Cobourg, Ontario. The game is at 7pm and will apparently be broadcasted at http://www.funny820.com/ for those interested. Here's the expected line-up for the Marlies:

Ashton ? Colborne ? Abbott
Kadri ? Aucoin ? Scott
McKegg ? Ryan ? Ross
Devane ? Crescenzi ? Brenner

Gardiner ? Kostka
Ranger ? Blacker
Yeo ? Gysbers

Scrivens/Owuya (split)

 

[maplesyrup]

I don't recall who tweeted it but I read yesterday or the day before that McKegg has stood out above everyone else (in a good way.) I see they have him in the wing. Perhaps this is where he's going to have his greatest chance for success in the long run?