Mitch Marner: what now?

[CarltonTheBear]

Alright this conversation is thrilling but if there's nothing else to add beyond "you said this" and "no I didn't" then maybe take a break guys.

 

[Kin]

Alright this conversation is thrilling but if there's nothing else to add beyond "you said this" and "no I didn't" then maybe take a break guys.

I'm sorry but I think if someone is outright lying about what I've said I think it's right for me to take issue with it.

 

[AtomicMapleLeaf]

Alright this conversation is thrilling but if there's nothing else to add beyond "you said this" and "no I didn't" then maybe take a break guys.

I'm sorry but I think if someone is outright lying about what I've said I think it's right for me to take issue with it.

Not really, I think it kind of spins the discussion out of whack when finger pointing and name calling come out. I love this board and would like to keep the civil discussions priority. Usually when the discussion delves into a back and forth about what someone said or didn't I just move on the the next topic. But, I'm starved for hockey news.

 

[Kin]

I love this board and would like to keep the civil discussions priority.

I absolutely 100% agree. But integral to our ability to have any sort of meaningful discussions with each other is being honest about what is being said.

 

[AtomicMapleLeaf]

I love this board and would like to keep the civil discussions priority.

I absolutely 100% agree. But integral to our ability to have any sort of meaningful discussions with each other is being honest about what is being said.

I agree with you Nik, but I also think that there are scenarios that someone should just stay out of the weeds. With that said, don't change anything about what you post. I don't think you have ever "crossed the line" and I enjoy your posts immensely.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I agree with you Nik, but I also think that there are scenarios that someone should just stay out of the weeds. With that said, don't change anything about what you post. I don't think you have ever "crossed the line" and I enjoy your posts immensely.

Telling someone they are not of adult intelligence or that they lack basic reading comprehension may be seen as an insult and perhaps could be considered crossing the line.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I believe this guy...unless Papa Marner has different ideas.

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Is Marner really going to sign an offer sheet? He?s going to leave Toronto, a team universally accepted to be among the top tier of teams with a chance to win the Stanley Cup (where he plays nice minutes with great linemates and features as a star) purely for more short-term dollars, setting the bridge back to his home city aflame for the foreseeable future?

https://theathletic.com/1050503/2019/06/27/bourne-marners-not-leaving-via-offer-sheet-buyer-beware-on-duchene-and-luongo-proves-its-ok-to-be-yourself/

 

[princedpw]

Some people think they know more then the rest of us.  :

Haha, no kidding.

So yesterday on Leaf's Lunch Lebrun was saying that many agents hate the talk period as every team that is looking for a winger, his example, phones every winger available and goes through the process to see what it would take and then makes a pitch to the one or two that best suits them. I would like to believe him but Nik told me this doesn't happen as agents only talk to folks with serious offers??? I'm back to whete we started, Dubas should be talking to every agent that has a player available on Monday.

Even if it doesn't come to an RFA contract offer it could lead to a team working out a trade for said RFA since that's generally more "acceptable" to the old boys club. So yes, calling everyone to see where they're at is valuable.

That's how it worked when Burke traded for Kessel. He told Boston he'd offer sheet him but would prefer a trade.

That worked out extremely well for the Bruins, but I think it was hot air from Burke.  He would have never presented an offer sheet after he was so vocal about Lowe doing it to him.

No he probably wouldn't have but I'll give him credit, he was very upfront with Boston about it from the start.

I give Burke zero ?credit.?. It was Burke?s job to optimize the Leaf?s prospects. He has no obligation to inform his adversaries of his intentions. He also has no right to be informed about pending offer sheets on his players.  His code of ethics is complete BS. Burke is just kind of a whiny loser with no leg to stand on.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Lebrun and agents don't agree.

Lebrun doesn't know what hes talking about....lol

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Enjoy the last weekend of your lives before you start hating Mitch Marner everyone!

 

[Bullfrog]

I already hate him. It's his responsibility to earn back my love.

 

[Arn]

Enjoy the last weekend of your lives before you start hating Mitch Marner everyone!

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

 

[Zee]

Enjoy the last weekend of your lives before you start hating Mitch Marner everyone!

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

It would be hilarious if Mitch signs for an amount that many will see as an overpayment and then Nylander proceeds to have a better season than Mitch due to playing with Matthews all year. All of a sudden Nylander will be a team friendly deal and Mitch will be the massively overpaid floater

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

I might be the wrong person to answer this because I've always been slightly more of a Nylander fan just on a personal level (although I was open to trading him when his contract talks dragged into the season, so it's not a blind love). But from what I've seen both in different places online and in real life the scorn for Marner is at a much higher level. Especially when you compare the two to this same point in their offseason negotiations. The offer sheet threats would be a big reason for that I'd imagine.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

I might be the wrong person to answer this because I've always been slightly more of a Nylander fan just on a personal level (although I was open to trading him when his contract talks dragged into the season, so it's not a blind love). But from what I've seen both in different places online and in real life the scorn for Marner is at a much higher level. Especially when you compare the two to this same point in their offseason negotiations. The offer sheet threats would be a big reason for that I'd imagine.

Yeah I'm sure the offer sheet stuff is a really big reason.

 

[Zee]

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

I might be the wrong person to answer this because I've always been slightly more of a Nylander fan just on a personal level (although I was open to trading him when his contract talks dragged into the season, so it's not a blind love). But from what I've seen both in different places online and in real life the scorn for Marner is at a much higher level. Especially when you compare the two to this same point in their offseason negotiations. The offer sheet threats would be a big reason for that I'd imagine.

I think the scorn for Marner comes from the onslaught from Dreger who is basically parroting Darren Ferris's comments.  People were annoyed with the Nylander situation, but we heard nothing from his camp at all.  With Marner you've had the entire Ferris situation back in Feb when he went on a radio tour after Matthews signed, and now this.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

I might be the wrong person to answer this because I've always been slightly more of a Nylander fan just on a personal level (although I was open to trading him when his contract talks dragged into the season, so it's not a blind love). But from what I've seen both in different places online and in real life the scorn for Marner is at a much higher level. Especially when you compare the two to this same point in their offseason negotiations. The offer sheet threats would be a big reason for that I'd imagine.

I think the scorn for Marner comes from the onslaught from Dreger who is basically parroting Darren Ferris's comments.  People were annoyed with the Nylander situation, but we heard nothing from his camp at all.  With Marner you've had the entire Ferris situation back in Feb when he went on a radio tour after Matthews signed, and now this.

I'd say it was the report that he intends to talk to other teams. It's rare that an RFA publically says he'll be speaking to other teams. Whether that report is true, came from Dreger, or whatever, it's what rubs people the wrong way. There's an expectation of loyalty and that sort of comment will aggravate a fanbase.

 

[cabber24]

I'll never hate Mitchy, he's a "lifetime Leaf".

Nylander could very well be our streal of a contract at the end of the day.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Do we have to hate him more than, as much as, or less than we hate Nylander?

(And you can also quantify that with pre and post hold out Nylander for extra emphasis)

I might be the wrong person to answer this because I've always been slightly more of a Nylander fan just on a personal level (although I was open to trading him when his contract talks dragged into the season, so it's not a blind love). But from what I've seen both in different places online and in real life the scorn for Marner is at a much higher level. Especially when you compare the two to this same point in their offseason negotiations. The offer sheet threats would be a big reason for that I'd imagine.

I think the scorn for Marner comes from the onslaught from Dreger who is basically parroting Darren Ferris's comments.  People were annoyed with the Nylander situation, but we heard nothing from his camp at all.  With Marner you've had the entire Ferris situation back in Feb when he went on a radio tour after Matthews signed, and now this.

I'd say it was the report that he intends to talk to other teams. It's rare that an RFA publically says he'll be speaking to other teams. Whether that report is true, came from Dreger, or whatever, it's what rubs people the wrong way. There's an expectation of loyalty and that sort of comment will aggravate a fanbase.

This.  Exactly this.  SO MUCH THIS!

Nobody is begrudging Mitch to squeeze every last cent out of Dubas. 

JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT!!!!

 

[Bullfrog]

I'm constantly confused about why fans care so much. Why do his aggressive agent's tactics change our opinion on Marner? Marner, by most accounts, is one of the most liked players on the team in a long time; he does tonnes for charity.

I know most of us are talking in jest, but there are many who are legitimately upset by how this negotiation is occurring. Why do we feel he owes any discount to the team? And why would we be upset if he actively looked for other deals? He doesn't owe any loyalty to us? Given the performance bonuses he missed out on, he deserves to fight for every dollar he can get.