Official Armchair GM Thread 2015-2016
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Britishbulldog
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You know what, if Winnipeg is losing Ladd that leaves a pretty big hole on their left side. I know someone who could replace his production for a much more reasonable price...
JVR for Trouba?
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That rumour was floated a week or so ago. JVR / Phaneuf (retain salary) / Parenteau for Ladd / Trouba / pick. 'Sources' said that Winnipeg was the instigator of the trade and that Toronto was interested. It's mostly click bait but now that Buff and Myers are locked down long term I could see Trouba and his rumoured contract demands moved.
Due to WPG being out of the playoff race I can't see WPG being interested in ANY rentals at this point so I see Parenteau off the table. I would wonder if the trade could be:
JVR/Percy (Marincin) for Trouba.
I would then hope that Toronto was close enough to Manitoba and try to flip Gardiner for Hamonic.
Phaneuf/Trouba
Rielly/Hamonic
Hunwick (Harrington,Loov)/Corrado (Polak)
If not, just getting Trouba is still a win.
You know what, if Winnipeg is losing Ladd that leaves a pretty big hole on their left side. I know someone who could replace his production for a much more reasonable price...
JVR for Trouba?
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That rumour was floated a week or so ago. JVR / Phaneuf (retain salary) / Parenteau for Ladd / Trouba / pick. 'Sources' said that Winnipeg was the instigator of the trade and that Toronto was interested. It's mostly click bait but now that Buff and Myers are locked down long term I could see Trouba and his rumoured contract demands moved.
Due to WPG being out of the playoff race I can't see WPG being interested in ANY rentals at this point so I see Parenteau off the table. I would wonder if the trade could be:
JVR/Percy (Marincin) for Trouba.
I would then hope that Toronto was close enough to Manitoba and try to flip Gardiner for Hamonic.
Phaneuf/Trouba
Rielly/Hamonic
Hunwick (Harrington,Loov)/Corrado (Polak)
If not, just getting Trouba is still a win.
Britishbulldog
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cabber24 said:
I agree. Both Chicago and Washington are carrying a bad contract with Bickell and Laich respectively. They also might be the Cup finalists this year making their 1st picks almost high 2nd picks.
If the Leafs could send a decent player and contract in exchange for each player, Lou might be able to pry the 1st pick away.
Britishbulldog
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Britishbulldog said:
Actually I don't know if trading Gardiner for Hamonic is a good idea.
I think that if the market is bad for trading Polak I would see him and Corrado re-signed and see how much must be added to JVR to sign Trouba.
Rielly / Trouba
Gardiner / Polak
Hunwick / Corrado
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Anyone think there is a chance Rielly signs the same type of deal as Klingberg?
Perhaps a few years shorter?
Perhaps a few years shorter?
Patrick said:
I'd be stunned if Rielly's new cap number didn't start with at least a 5 on a long-term deal.
This summer is going to be pretty interesting in regards to RFA defencemen. Rielly, Jones, Trouba, Lindholm, Ristolainen, Maatta are all looking for their 1st post-ELC deals. Wonder how many teams will want to wait and see what the others do with their guy.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Yeah, Klingberg is older and has taken off a little bit offensively, granted on a better team and with more PP time.
Rielly has incredible potential, but I've seen people mention numbers beginning with six and that seems really crazy to me. I mean you run the risk of getting into a Subban situation if you offer only a bridge deal and he takes that next step.
But perhaps something like 4.75 for the next three to four seasons would be reasonable.
Rielly has incredible potential, but I've seen people mention numbers beginning with six and that seems really crazy to me. I mean you run the risk of getting into a Subban situation if you offer only a bridge deal and he takes that next step.
But perhaps something like 4.75 for the next three to four seasons would be reasonable.
Patrick said:
There's a pretty big difference in pedigree between the two players too. Klingberg was a 22 year old, former 5th round pick, and was just coming off his 1st professional season in North America. Now it was definitely a heck of a season (40 points in 65 games), but Dallas was still taking a massive risk signing him to that type of deal with such a small body of work in the NHL. So far it's definitely paid off but he could have easily been a one-year wonder just taking advantage of lots of playing time with Seguin and Benn.
One way to put it would be if both players were UFAs instead of RFAs, how many would have signed Klingberg to a 7-year deal at $4.25mil vs. how many would sign Rielly to say a 7-year deal at $6mil? I'd imagine many more would jump at Rielly.
Bender said:
Just in regards to that chart comparing him to other young defencemen, I looked up some of the more prominent ones and it doesn't really feel like those guys were playing against top competition at that age like Rielly is. So while there is probably a bit of cause for concern, his numbers probably look worse in comparison to those guys than they actually are.
And I kind of appreciate what Babcock has tried to do with Rielly by basically just throwing him into the deep end, but it would have really made a lot more sense to do it with a more reliable partner. I feel like Babcock likely thinks that Hunwick is a good guy for that job, but he really isn't.
GhostofPotvin29
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CarltonTheBear said:
Yeah and while there's a limit to using zone starts, they didn't even really try to look at those in their comparison either.
Potvin29 said:
Yeah that's what I mostly looked at when trying to figure out if those guys were being played in more of a shutdown role. I've said before that I don't like using it to excuse players like Froese for having crappy possession numbers, but generally when you're looking at top-4 defencemen the ones with a worse zone start ratio is the one getting the tougher minutes.
bustaheims
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Potvin29 said:
The writer basically ignores everything except for CA, CA Rel and shot location. Not even an attempt to look into quality of competition, zone starts, the influence of playing with different groups of forwards, etc. It's a pretty surface level look at things disguised as an advanced analysis.
Patrick said:
Something to keep in mind is his future UFA status. He's about to accrue his 3rd NHL season, so a 4-year deal would bring him right up into unrestricted free agency. That's likely something the team will want to avoid. A 3-year deal might not be ideal because it could very well mean that he'll be a RFA again at the exact same time as Nylander, Marner, and potentially our 2016 first rounder. 1 or 2-year deals are bridge contracts and I think the Leafs will probably want to avoid those with Rielly. A 5-year deal only buys 1 UFA season and if you're buying UFA seasons then you may as well buy 2 of them.
That's why 6 years is probably the most likely outcome for me. All the established NHL defencemen from the draft prior to Rielly's also signed 6-year deals after their ELCs expired too. Brodin and Larsson both signed identical deals at $4.166mil, while Hamilton got 6 years at $5.75mil. I'd put Rielly's first 3 years in the NHL closer to Hamilton's, so I'd be pretty happy with $5.5-5.75mil.
herman said:
Adding extra years to a contract for a 30-year old can sometimes bring a players cap hit down, but that doesn't really work for a 21-year old. The 7th year of a potential Rielly contract would be his 28-year old season. He's not going to take a discount on that year for extra stability. If anything it actually works the other way, any extra year added to Rielly's deal will only increase his cap hit.