Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

 

[caver]

Agreed. I hope they know what they are doing by letting Eakins walk (presumably).  :-\

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

 

[Kin]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

If it makes you feel any better highly regarded AHL coaches fail all the time in the NHL.

 

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

If it makes you feel any better highly regarded AHL coaches fail all the time in the NHL.

Yeah, but Eakins won't.  The only pitfall he'll face is dealing with superstar egos ... he hasn't done that yet.  But I think he's sophisticated and smart enough to figure that out.

 

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

 

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

I can never accept that assertion.  Never.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

Yeah just because he made the team doesn't make him infallible. I mean, Phanuef was the captain of the team when they made the playoffs are he still has plenty of skeptics. Colton Orr was the teams 4th line winger when they made it, but that doesn't mean he should have his spot in stone. Or that he even did a good job in the role.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, but Eakins won't.  The only pitfall he'll face is dealing with superstar egos ... he hasn't done that yet.  But I think he's sophisticated and smart enough to figure that out.

When any coach gets hired into the NHL they look like a genius. Nobody gets the big job because they look like a dope.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

I can never accept that assertion.  Never.

The goaltending Reimer provided this season should have been able to get just about any coach into the playoffs. The goaltending that Toskala/Raycroft/Gustavsson provided in Wilson's years should have been enough to get any coach fired.

"Show me a good coach, and I'll show you a good goalie."

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

I can never accept that assertion.  Never.

Also remember it was a 48 game season, so the team had less time to regress to the mean in categories, like SH% for example.

 

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

If it makes you feel any better highly regarded AHL coaches fail all the time in the NHL.

Not only that, highly regarded NHL coaches fail all the time in the NHL.

 

[ZBBM]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

I can never accept that assertion.  Never.

Also remember it was a 48 game season, so the team had less time to regress to the mean in categories, like SH% for example.

Seriously though, this is the storyline we are going to hear from Leafhaters all thru the summer: that we got lucky.  (Over and over again, apparently.)

Leaving shot % out of it, where does Reimer fit into that narrative?  Does he "regress to the mean" too?  As CTB said, he provided above-average goaltending.  Is that his "real level"?

And anyway, all this talk of regressing to the mean is -- meaningless if it's taken as a law of prediction in terms of final standings.  By definition some teams are above the mean, and some below it.  We have a reasonably good chance of being above the mean (i.e., in the playoffs) again next year. based on the roster's talent alone.

 

[Jalili]

Seriously though, this is the storyline we are going to hear from Leafhaters all thru the summer: that we got lucky.  (Over and over again, apparently.)

Leaving shot % out of it, where does Reimer fit into that narrative?  Does he "regress to the mean" too?  As CTB said, he provided above-average goaltending.  Is that his "real level"?

And anyway, all this talk of regressing to the mean is -- meaningless if it's taken as a law of prediction in terms of final standings.  By definition some teams are above the mean, and some below it.  We have a reasonably good chance of being above the mean (i.e., in the playoffs) again next year. based on the roster's talent alone.

To be fair to Potvin, he's the last person I would confuse with being a Leaf hater.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Looks like Eakins may also have the NYR on his list:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424400

Bleah.  It's hard to argue that Carlyle hasn't done a good job.  But I still think he make weird lineup decisions, and I just don't fully cotton up to the idea of him as long-term coach.  And somehow I wish we could get Eakins lined up to take over here.  But it's not to be.

I wouldn't really say riding the wave of an unusually high SH% as doing a good job.  It is very likely this team got lucky this season, and if they play the same way next season that the results will be different.

Maybe, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt.  He got the damn team into the playoffs, after all.

Wilson could have with the goaltending Carlyle had this season.

I can never accept that assertion.  Never.

Also remember it was a 48 game season, so the team had less time to regress to the mean in categories, like SH% for example.

Seriously though, this is the storyline we are going to hear from Leafhaters all thru the summer: that we got lucky.  (Over and over again, apparently.)

Leaving shot % out of it, where does Reimer fit into that narrative?  Does he "regress to the mean" too?  As CTB said, he provided above-average goaltending.  Is that his "real level"?

If he was posting a .940 SV%+ through 48 games I'm sure you could make that argument.  But it's been shown before that Reimer has been pretty consistently above average in his even-strength SV% since coming into the league, so there's no real reason to believe it will change.  That's not to say it won't fall off at all from .924, we'll have to see.

Their team SH% at ES for the season was 10.56%.  That's the highest number in the NHL since the Capitals in 2009-10, and they are the only 2 teams to post a double digit SH% number in the last 6 seasons.  So what are the odds that the Leafs can post a second season of high SH%?  Probably not very good.  If not, the goaltending will have to be even better to make up for it.

 

[ZBBM]

Anything is possible in a parity league but the team didn't just squeak into the playoffs. Nor is their shooting percentage the only reason they got in. (I'd be more worried about the PK regressing.)

I guess for once in my life I fall on the side of the more optimistic.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

@DarrenDreger

Leafs grant Dallas Stars permission to speak with Marlies coach, Dallas Eakins about coaching job. Van,Edmtn,NYR, Dal interested in Eakins.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Any speculation about the future Marlies coach if Eakins moves on?

 

[Frank E]

Wonder if Gilmour wants to give up his OHL GM duties?