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Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread

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Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly, -3 on Tues, on being called over by Carlyle for chat: "I was a little frightened, but I think that was a pretty natural response."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly on Carlyle chat: "It's like when you get called in after class to talk to your teacher ... but he was great. Kept it positive."
 
Deebo said:
Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly, -3 on Tues, on being called over by Carlyle for chat: "I was a little frightened, but I think that was a pretty natural response."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly on Carlyle chat: "It's like when you get called in after class to talk to your teacher ... but he was great. Kept it positive."

I'll give him a lot of credit if he manages to not ruin the best prospect this team has ever had.
 
Stickytape said:
Corn Flake said:
Well, for example, I think keeping Orr and McLaren on most nights counts as choosing goons over skill. 
I hear what you are saying but I don't expect my 4th line to deliver skill. I want my 4th line either capable of either playing highly physical, causing havoc and distracting the other team, or they should be defensively sound enough to be put out vs. secondary scoring lines and not get killed.  We had the former last year but that same group doesn't have it this year

I also don't like that stretch-pass-chip-and-chase is basically the go-to play.  Watching a guy like Gardiner try to make a 2-line pass from behind his own hash marks so that Kessel/Bozak/JVR can tip it into the zone and chase it makes me facepalm - especially since they seem to ice it about a third of the time.

I really don't see that as something Carlyle wants to happen. I think it's something he is trying to stop them from doing.  No coach in their right mind builds a breakout plan around stretch passes.  They often resort to it because the fowards are too far up or they get into trouble in their own zone (on the off the glass/chip out plays)

As for the lack of adaptation, I think we're seeing some of that now.  The Leafs' last regulation win was November 19th.  What has Carlyle really done to adapt his game to get the team out of this slump?  Even within individual games, there have been times where he could have done something to try to change the momentum - call a time-out, pull Reims before it's 5-0, or at least say something to anyone - but he won't.  Then in post-game interviews he only seems to know what went wrong, not why.  The answer is always "work harder".

I will agree with you on some of the in-game choices he could make but as far as what he says post game, I don't put a lot of weight on his quotes to the media being what he's saying to the players in the room. 

Work harder?  Well from what I've seen, effort has been the problem for several games.. maybe a good portion of the season and they only got away with it earlier on.  They aren't getting away with it now.  The whole Columbus game, 2/3 of the Pitts game, about half the Mtl game, and 1/3 of the Sharks game.

Work harder means freaking execute the plays the way we have been practicing at a speed that works at the NHL level.  Effort isn't just about moving your feet... it's about doing all the things you should be doing as a player.

I fault the players for not executing on the ice and putting in 60 mins of properly "working" to execute as they should be.  I fault Carlyle if he cannot get them to listen, which if things don't change in the next 2 games I will pretty much conclude they have tuned him out.
 
I'd agree that there is an execution problem from the players, that sometimes the effort is not there but there's also been a tremendous loss of talent. Maybe if the roster was healthy and relatively whole I'd be more in agreement but I'm not convinced they've tuned him out.

Maybe we'll get a little better insight at some point soon now that the 24/7 cameras are rolling...
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly, -3 on Tues, on being called over by Carlyle for chat: "I was a little frightened, but I think that was a pretty natural response."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly on Carlyle chat: "It's like when you get called in after class to talk to your teacher ... but he was great. Kept it positive."

I'll give him a lot of credit if he manages to not ruin the best prospect this team has ever had.

Ever?
 
OldTimeHockey said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly, -3 on Tues, on being called over by Carlyle for chat: "I was a little frightened, but I think that was a pretty natural response."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly on Carlyle chat: "It's like when you get called in after class to talk to your teacher ... but he was great. Kept it positive."

I'll give him a lot of credit if he manages to not ruin the best prospect this team has ever had.

Ever?

Considering the lack of high draft picks this franchise has had I don't think it's insane to say that. Especially in the last 25 years.
 
what other ex loaf can we get to coach?Hey how bout Daryl or Lanny or even better?Gary Roberts?at least they would be in shape.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
OldTimeHockey said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Deebo said:
Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly, -3 on Tues, on being called over by Carlyle for chat: "I was a little frightened, but I think that was a pretty natural response."

Mark Masters ‏@markhmasters 1h
Rielly on Carlyle chat: "It's like when you get called in after class to talk to your teacher ... but he was great. Kept it positive."

I'll give him a lot of credit if he manages to not ruin the best prospect this team has ever had.

Ever?

Considering the lack of high draft picks this franchise has had I don't think it's insane to say that. Especially in the last 25 years.

I wasn't disputing, just looking for explanation. I'm not big on putting a tag on any young player but that's my tendancy to always be extremely cautious to say anything positive about this team.
 
I figured he'd last the year but does it feel like this might reach the breaking point much sooner?

I'm undecided but anyone who wants Carlyle gone might be a few more bad games away from getting their wish. (I'm not undecided as to whether I want Carlyle gone, I'm undecided whether to actually hope the team keeps losing for 2-3 more games so that it will have a chance to get back on track with a new coach.)
 
mirtle: Dreger mentions on @TSN1050Radio that Carlyle is safe this season. But if Leafs miss postseason, and are healthy, could be looked at then.

Is this the dreaded "vote of confidence" or just further indication that we can't have nice things?
 
Hope_Smoke: Seemed pretty obvious to me that Dreger thinks there is a disconnect between Nonis and Carlyle over Holland, Rielly & Liles.

This does not surprise me in the slightest.
 
bustaheims said:
mirtle: Dreger mentions on @TSN1050Radio that Carlyle is safe this season. But if Leafs miss postseason, and are healthy, could be looked at then.

Is this the dreaded "vote of confidence" or just further indication that we can't have nice things?

Nonis spent the offseason doing Carlyle's bidding (as it were).  RC won't be getting fired this season for that reason.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
bustaheims said:
mirtle: Dreger mentions on @TSN1050Radio that Carlyle is safe this season. But if Leafs miss postseason, and are healthy, could be looked at then.

Is this the dreaded "vote of confidence" or just further indication that we can't have nice things?

Nonis spent the offseason doing Carlyle's bidding (as it were).  RC won't be getting fired this season for that reason.

So, it's settled. We can't have nice things.
 
mirtle: Carlyle pointed out tonight that the Leafs are midpack in the NHL in man games lost and don't have reason to complain about injuries.

Except for when people say he deserved to be fired, of course.
 
The Leafs have allowed 40 or more shots in a game 8 times already this season. It only happened 7 times all of last season.
 
I'm very surprised and disappointed that the muck-starting TO media have laid off RC so much.

I mean it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Cox and Simmons in previous years alone would have ran 15 articles pointing out the obvious flaws in Carlyle's coaching.  Now? Essentially nada.
 
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