Corn Flake
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bustaheims said:
Well if Dreger is the guy we go to for the vote of confidence, then sure, you got the vote of confidence.
100% speculation in either direction on DD's part.
Randy Carlyle/Leaf Coach thread
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Well if Dreger is the guy we go to for the vote of confidence, then sure, you got the vote of confidence.
100% speculation in either direction on DD's part.
Corn Flake
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lamajama said:
Simmons is far too lazy to get that detailed. They only go after the coaches they get into spats with, like Wilson or Quinn. They don't go after the coaches they get along with.
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Corn Flake said:
That's an awfully high percentage for something you can't possibly know.
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Potvin29 said:
Indeed.
I heard most of that interview. He was completely spitballing every answer. Taking anything out of what he said in that segment is no more valuable than taking our opinions here as insider info.
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Corn Flake said:
Maybe so, but I thought in the past year Dreger has been pretty accurate with his Leafs stuff? People have been calling him Nonis' mouthpiece for a little while now.
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Potvin29 said:
Even if he is remotely right, which I doubt, I don't even agree with the paraphrasing of what he said above. I think this Hope Smoke guy is reading into what he wants in what DD said. I didn't hear any real suggestion that Nonis & Carlyle aren't on the same page other than he noted there are always going to be differences of opinion on players between a GM and a coach. But he wasn't really referencing any of those specific situations.
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Corn Flake said:
Well, for one, that is James Mirtle who paraphrased it, not Hope_Smoke.
Second, here are the exact quotes (these ones from your friend Hope_Smoke):
I fail to see how "Dreger mentions on @TSN1050Radio that Carlyle is safe this season. But if Leafs miss postseason, and are healthy, could be looked at then" is a poor paraphrasing or is reading into anything. It's almost verbatim what Dreger said.
bustaheims
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ChrisBottaNHL: Source: Laviolette "definitely" a top candidate if Isles make coaching change. Me: Move quickly then. He'll have other offers.
Well, that could definitely take one of the top candidates to potentially replace Carlyle of the market.
Well, that could definitely take one of the top candidates to potentially replace Carlyle of the market.
bustaheims said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Although I read somewhere that Wang might not be too interested in paying Laviolette the high salary he would command while still having his current coaches contract on the books.
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CarltonTheBear said:
Thank goodness for Wang.
And, now, to the "Quotes taken out of context" thread!
bustaheims
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Hope_Smoke: Dreger "beginning with Dec 3rd the Leafs are in an 8 game stretch that defines their season. They have stumbled through it so far"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "if I was part of Leaf mgmt the most concerning part would be, what's happened? Why aren't the players doing what they're told?"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "goaltending has been good, but their defensive and possession game has been horrendous. Beyond the 1st line there is no production"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "the Leafs coaching issue is an off-season thing for me."
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "what I know, is that the Leafs are among the most active in looking to make moves. Nonis is prepared to do anything"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "Nonis isn't looking for a small little move big players are available which is why you hear Gardiner's name thrown out there"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "if when all is said and done mgmt decides there is an un-reparable disconnect between Carlyle & the players they'll make a move"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "there is no scenario where I see the Leafs pulling the pin on Carlyle mid-season."
Hope_Smoke: Nonis working hard to make a move where "anything is possible" should scare Leaf fans.
If Dreger is right, this is exactly what I'm most afraid of. A trade isn't going to fix what's wrong with this team. It's just not that simple. If you're going to address roster issues, that's fine, but don't do it to try to save the season. With the team playing as poorly as it is, there's absolutely no adequate reason why Carlyle should be safe. Yes, there have been injuries, but, they haven't exactly been to the Leafs' key contributors and the Leafs are decidedly in the middle of the pack in terms of man-games lost to injury and salary that has been on the IR. If the players aren't safe right now, the coach shouldn't be safe either.
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "if I was part of Leaf mgmt the most concerning part would be, what's happened? Why aren't the players doing what they're told?"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "goaltending has been good, but their defensive and possession game has been horrendous. Beyond the 1st line there is no production"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "the Leafs coaching issue is an off-season thing for me."
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "what I know, is that the Leafs are among the most active in looking to make moves. Nonis is prepared to do anything"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "Nonis isn't looking for a small little move big players are available which is why you hear Gardiner's name thrown out there"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "if when all is said and done mgmt decides there is an un-reparable disconnect between Carlyle & the players they'll make a move"
Hope_Smoke: Dreger "there is no scenario where I see the Leafs pulling the pin on Carlyle mid-season."
Hope_Smoke: Nonis working hard to make a move where "anything is possible" should scare Leaf fans.
If Dreger is right, this is exactly what I'm most afraid of. A trade isn't going to fix what's wrong with this team. It's just not that simple. If you're going to address roster issues, that's fine, but don't do it to try to save the season. With the team playing as poorly as it is, there's absolutely no adequate reason why Carlyle should be safe. Yes, there have been injuries, but, they haven't exactly been to the Leafs' key contributors and the Leafs are decidedly in the middle of the pack in terms of man-games lost to injury and salary that has been on the IR. If the players aren't safe right now, the coach shouldn't be safe either.
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I don't think the coach is safe, but there's no use in saying publicly that the coach isn't safe. It's counter productive. If you think the players have shut the coachs out now, wait until they find out the team is going to fire him.
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OldTimeHockey said:
Sure, but, you also don't need to put it out there through someone who is well connected to the team that "coaching is an off-season issue" and such. You could just, you know, not say anything that provides any information, like "the team is consider all possible options" or "we're just focused on making the team better" and other such bland sports cliches.
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OldTimeHockey said:
If the team is going to fire him, they will fire him. The concept of a coach getting fired after a bad loss doesn't exist. When a team decides to make that change they do it. It might take a game or two but it is going to happen fairly quickly.
As for making a big trade, I guess it would depend on what the trade amounts to. If it is trading Gardiner for a rental player who won't resign or is a bad fit long term, it's bad. But if it is going out and acquiring a top end player that will be around for years to come, that makes sense to me. I might be ok if they did something to acquire a guy like Stasny (with a contract extension). Or if they tried to acquire 1-2 defensive D-men to help shore up the 2nd/3rd pairings.
But if they go out and trade skill for grunts I'm not sure what the point would be. I also would be against trading the 1st rounder given that they likely will have given up a 2nd for Holland. This team could easily miss the playoffs and end up with a top 10 pick just as well as turning the season around and making the playoffs. The West is so much better than the East that just missing the playoffs isn't a terrible thing for drafting this year.
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I'm very grateful that he listens to all of these radio interviews and transcribes them.
RIP Maple Leafs Jake Gardiner
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CarltonTheBear said:
If he's traded for anyone older than 32 or less than 3 years away from being a UFA . . .
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bustaheims said:
I completely agree. I just don't think much weight can be placed on the coach being "safe."
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bustaheims said:
The only thing they should trade him for is the only thing they should be considering trading him, Franson, or Rielly for anyway: another top 6 center who's a good number of years away from being UFA.
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