Seattle Expansion Draft

[Bullfrog]

Not just cap space. There's real money in salary and bonuses.

 

[Bullfrog]

If Seattle was going to take a flyer on an injured player, I'd think it'd be Tarasenko.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Draft Price. Retain 50% of his cap hit (*$10 million bonus is due in September) Trade him to a team looking to win now for a forward/defence prospect, top goalie prospect, and 2022 + 2023 1st round picks.

No one is giving up that package for Price.  Goalies don't get traded for anywhere near that kind of value. 

A pick and prospect maybe but that's just not the value goalie ever go for.

Yeah, I get that but you?re paying for the money retention too.

As a fan of the Leafs, I?m interested.

So something like Amirov, Niemela, Woll, and 2022 1st round pick for Price at $5m a season.

Um no, huge pass from me..

 

[dappleganger]

Not just cap space. There's real money in salary and bonuses.

How does the salary vs bonus money work out in terms of cap hit and cap retention?

 

[L K]

Draft Price. Retain 50% of his cap hit (*$10 million bonus is due in September) Trade him to a team looking to win now for a forward/defence prospect, top goalie prospect, and 2022 + 2023 1st round picks.

No one is giving up that package for Price.  Goalies don't get traded for anywhere near that kind of value. 

A pick and prospect maybe but that's just not the value goalie ever go for.

Yeah, I get that but you?re paying for the money retention too.

As a fan of the Leafs, I?m interested.

So something like Amirov, Niemela, Woll, and 2022 1st round pick for Price at $5m a season.

The money retention just makes Price not horribly overpaid.  Price at 50% retention is still the 12th highest paid goaltender in the league.  He has a .909 SV% over the last 4 seasons.  He may step up come the playoffs but he doesn't help get your there in the mean-time by being a below average goaltender (league average SV% is .910)

 

[dappleganger]

Draft Price. Retain 50% of his cap hit (*$10 million bonus is due in September) Trade him to a team looking to win now for a forward/defence prospect, top goalie prospect, and 2022 + 2023 1st round picks.

No one is giving up that package for Price.  Goalies don't get traded for anywhere near that kind of value. 

A pick and prospect maybe but that's just not the value goalie ever go for.

Yeah, I get that but you?re paying for the money retention too.

As a fan of the Leafs, I?m interested.

So something like Amirov, Niemela, Woll, and 2022 1st round pick for Price at $5m a season.

The money retention just makes Price not horribly overpaid.  Price at 50% retention is still the 12th highest paid goaltender in the league.  He has a .909 SV% over the last 4 seasons.  He may step up come the playoffs but he doesn't help get your there in the mean-time by being a below average goaltender (league average SV% is .910)

Healthy Price in the playoffs means a Stanley Cup for Toronto. I honestly believe that and it?s all I care about.

 

[Deebo]

If not Price, Montreal doesn't have much of value exposed.

Drouin, Byron, Kulak, Fleury? Pretty slim pickings.

 

[Frank E]

If not Price, Montreal doesn't have much of value exposed.

Drouin, Byron, Kulak, Fleury? Pretty slim pickings.

It's a good point...not much value there.

 

[bustaheims]

If not Price, Montreal doesn't have much of value exposed.

Drouin, Byron, Kulak, Fleury? Pretty slim pickings.

If Drouin can manage the issues that kept him sidelined late in the season and through the playoffs, he'd be a valuable piece. Cale Fleury would be a good pick in terms of getting an NHL player and cap management.

Seattle could also view Montreal as a spot to basically take a mulligan, or maybe they target Danault and negotiate a contract with him in the next couple days, when no one else can.

There are options there that work better for building a team from scratch than an expensive goalie on the downside of his career.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I was scanning through the mock expansion draft feature on capfriendly and there's a lot of teams I'd basically just be taking a mulligan on.

 

[herman]

I was scanning through the mock expansion draft feature on capfriendly and there's a lot of teams I'd basically just be taking a mulligan on.

So. Many. Of. These. I'd pull prospects on the verge of ripening.

And when Seattle gets to Toronto and Tampa, they'd say, 'can we has all?'

 

[bustaheims]

So. Many. Of. These. I'd pull prospects on the verge of ripening.

Yup. Lots of teams to target prospects who might be about to bloom or young players who could thrive in a larger role.

 

[Kin]

I was scanning through the mock expansion draft feature on capfriendly and there's a lot of teams I'd basically just be taking a mulligan on.

It feels like the hyper-cautiousness of NHL GMs was really disturbed by the Vegas draft. I think a lot of teams made questionable moves just so they wouldn't lose a valuable asset for nothing.

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1417204915961745410

 

[herman]

So Andersen's replacement should be... cheapish?

 

[rdowdall]

The Blues putting Tarasenko on the list seems like a bad long term play to me.  How are you supposed to get value for him if he isn't picked for free by Seattle?  Unless there is a deal in place whereby Seattle takes him, and then gives something to the Blues after the fact.  Can that happen? 

 

[herman]

The Blues putting Tarasenko on the list seems like a bad long term play to me.  How are you supposed to get value for him if he isn't picked for free by Seattle?  Unless there is a deal in place whereby Seattle takes him, and then gives something to the Blues after the fact.  Can that happen?

The only benefit to St Louis is the open cap space to pursue Landeskog, and they get to keep Dunn I guess.

Seattle can flip Tarasenko if they want (Islanders and Panthers seem to be keen).

 

[rdowdall]

The Blues putting Tarasenko on the list seems like a bad long term play to me.  How are you supposed to get value for him if he isn't picked for free by Seattle?  Unless there is a deal in place whereby Seattle takes him, and then gives something to the Blues after the fact.  Can that happen?

The only benefit to St Louis is the open cap space to pursue Landeskog, and they get to keep Dunn I guess.

Seattle can flip Tarasenko if they want (Islanders and Panthers seem to be keen).

See I read it as both Dunn and Tarasenko are headaches for the Blues and they want to move on from both of them.  So they exposed both of them hoping Seattle would take one of their headaches off their hands. 

But that still leaves them with one headache, and it seems to lessen your bargaining power after the draft is done. 

 

[herman]

The Blues putting Tarasenko on the list seems like a bad long term play to me.  How are you supposed to get value for him if he isn't picked for free by Seattle?  Unless there is a deal in place whereby Seattle takes him, and then gives something to the Blues after the fact.  Can that happen?

The only benefit to St Louis is the open cap space to pursue Landeskog, and they get to keep Dunn I guess.

Seattle can flip Tarasenko if they want (Islanders and Panthers seem to be keen).

See I read it as both Dunn and Tarasenko are headaches for the Blues and they want to move on from both of them.  So they exposed both of them hoping Seattle would take one of their headaches off their hands. 

But that still leaves them with one headache, and it seems to lessen your bargaining power after the draft is done.

One team's garbage is another team's treasured Stanley Cup winning trade target. For this case, I think the post-expansion draft offers more bargaining power because there isn't the draft clogging up team's flexibility.

 

[Guilt Trip]

So Andersen's replacement should be... cheapish?

Leafs need a 1A goalie.  I just don't see Campbell carrying this team for 50 games so the Leafs may have to spend some bucks to get a guy. I want Ullmark but if they could get Freddie for 3 mill, I'd be good with that.