Steve Stamkos?

[herman]

Page 5/6's top 5 players to target for a 10/8 contract.

Eh, that seems slightly different than trying to suss out his position compared to the league's top earners.

I think both questions lead to the same result: Stamkos is one tier below the very top.

 

[Kin]

I think both questions lead to the same result: Stamkos is one tier below the very top.

Maybe, but I'm not so much interested in the ranking on its own as I am in how it fits into the larger point we were discussing. If Stamkos signs for 7/12 then he'll earn 121.5 million over 12 years. Which means that despite being 6th of 7 on my count and maybe 7th of 7 on busta's(and really it would be harder to argue that even the most generous read of his career would have him above 5th on anyone's) he very well might earn the most of all of these players in his 13 post ELC years.

Which, again, brings us back to why someone would only sign a 5 year contract after their ELC.

 

[herman]

I think both questions lead to the same result: Stamkos is one tier below the very top.

Maybe, but I'm not so much interested in the ranking on its own as I am in how it fits into the larger point we were discussing. If Stamkos signs for 7/12 then he'll earn 121.5 million over 12 years. Which means that despite being 6th of 7 on my count and maybe 7th of 7 on busta's(and really it would be harder to argue that even the most generous read of his career would have him above 5th on anyone's) he very well might earn the most of all of these players in his 13 post ELC years.

Which, again, brings us back to why someone would only sign a 5 year contract after their ELC.

That explains my disconnect. Not sure why there was argument over something as objective as math, so I kinda glazed over that conversation and only caught the ranking comparisons.

 

[Kin]

Not sure why there was argument over something as objective as math

Oh, you must be new here. I'm Nik.

 

[Bill_Berg]

From various articles and radio banter I suppose it's a foregone conclusion that the Leafs will try to sign Stamkos. I had my doubts a week ago.

 

[jonlleafs]

From various articles and radio banter I suppose it's a foregone conclusion that the Leafs will try to sign Stamkos. I had my doubts a week ago.

Although, I'm wondering how they will fit him under the cap.  They would have to rid themselves of say Lupul, Michalek, Laich, and who else?

 

[Bill_Berg]

From various articles and radio banter I suppose it's a foregone conclusion that the Leafs will try to sign Stamkos. I had my doubts a week ago.

Although, I'm wondering how they will fit him under the cap.  They would have to rid themselves of say Lupul, Michalek, Laich, and who else?

Oh i'm sure they would figure it out. Kadri and Bozak are other options.

 

[jdh1]

From various articles and radio banter I suppose it's a foregone conclusion that the Leafs will try to sign Stamkos. I had my doubts a week ago.

I'm thinking that Leaf ownership is pushing his signing,if indeed that he comes.I still think the rebuild needs more time.I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

 

[Bill_Berg]

From various articles and radio banter I suppose it's a foregone conclusion that the Leafs will try to sign Stamkos. I had my doubts a week ago.

I'm thinking that Leaf ownership is pushing his signing,if indeed that he comes.I still think the rebuild needs more time.I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

Shanahan specifically said over the weekend that there was no pressure from ownership. He'll say that either way but he did say it.

My bet is they feel he's worth it at a certain, low (relatively) dollar amount, so they'll offer that and see what happens.

I don't know if even at a low dollar amount it will work out well in the long run though.

I know when I was quitting smoking, I was 100% in the night before quit date. I was in less the next day. 

 

[McGarnagle]

I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

I wonder if that's a legit concern. I can imagine there are some in ownership that would definitely be pushing for a fasttrack.

 

[dappleganger]

Lou Lamoriello, the same Lou Lamoriello who signed Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year 102-million contract, is running the Leafs. He will definitely try to sign Steven Stamkos. I have no doubt about that.

The ownership group isn't meddling with Lou.

 

[McGarnagle]

Lou Lamoriello, the same Lou Lamoriello who signed Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year 102-million contract, is running the Leafs. He will definitely try to sign Steven Stamkos. I have no doubts about that.

Maybe. But I'd wager that Lou doesn't have even close to the autonomy that he had in Jersey.

 

[TBLeafer]

I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

I wonder if that's a legit concern. I can imagine there are some in ownership that would definitely be pushing for a fasttrack.

Having the deepest prospect in the league is a fast track?

 

[Kin]

Lou Lamoriello, the same Lou Lamoriello who signed Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year 102-million contract, is running the Leafs. He will definitely try to sign Steven Stamkos. I have no doubt about that.

The ownership group isn't meddling with Lou.

By most accounts, Lamoriello didn't want to sign Kovalchuk and it was New Jersey ownership that overruled him on that one.

 

[McGarnagle]

I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

I wonder if that's a legit concern. I can imagine there are some in ownership that would definitely be pushing for a fasttrack.

Having the deepest prospect in the league is a fast track?

151 pages isn't enough? You want to start all over again?

 

[dappleganger]

Lou Lamoriello, the same Lou Lamoriello who signed Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year 102-million contract, is running the Leafs. He will definitely try to sign Steven Stamkos. I have no doubts about that.

Maybe. But I'd wager that Lou doesn't have even close to the autonomy that he had in Jersey.

That might be true, but when Lou took the job, it was reported he had full autonomy.

I do believe that Lou can and will do what he deems best, as long as he adheres to his budget. Lou isn't working in a vacuum, it will be a collective decision, but Lou will have final say. Thats what I believe.

 

[dappleganger]

Lou Lamoriello, the same Lou Lamoriello who signed Ilya Kovalchuk to a 17-year 102-million contract, is running the Leafs. He will definitely try to sign Steven Stamkos. I have no doubt about that.

The ownership group isn't meddling with Lou.

By most accounts, Lamoriello didn't want to sign Kovalchuk and it was New Jersey ownership that overruled him on that one.

The narrative I remember was Lou wanted the player, but didn't like the back diving contract, he put that on management.

I guess Lou didn't have full autonomy in NJ.

 

[bustaheims]

Having the deepest prospect in the league is a fast track?

Prospect

noun
1. Usually, prospects.
an apparent probability of advancement, success, profit, etc.
the outlook for the future:
good business prospects.
2. anticipation; expectation; a looking forward.
3. something in view as a source of profit.
4. a potential or likely customer, client, etc.
5. a potential or likely candidate.

 

[Joe S.]

Another fair question. Where does Stamkos honestly rank among that group as a player? I'd definitely take him over Kane. The rest? I'm not so sure.

Honestly, I'm not 100% sure I'd take him over Kane - but, yeah, he's the only player on the list where Stamkos being the better choice is even a consideration.

he's also the only one in the list who's ever been available.

 

[TBLeafer]

I hope ownership is not meddling with the Shanaplan.

I wonder if that's a legit concern. I can imagine there are some in ownership that would definitely be pushing for a fasttrack.

Having the deepest prospect in the league is a fast track?

151 pages isn't enough? You want to start all over again?

There's fast tracking and there's being successful faster without shortcutting.

What they are doing now is night and day to what Burke did.