Unofficial 2012/2013 Armchair GM

[TML fan]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

Something along the lines of two 1sts and a 2nd, I would imagine. Maybe a bit less.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

I'd imagine the conversation would start with Gardiner. O'Reilly is kind of like Bergeron, or at least that's what he projects to be. Elite second-line centre material who could probably get close to 70 points playing on the top line with Kessel, and he's one of the better two-way centres in the league too which would help a ton. He's also only turns 22 next month, so he could be around for the long haul.

Although, I'm not even sure the Avs would have that much interest in Gardiner, as they have two pretty good young offensive defencemen on the cusp of the NHL in Tyson Barrie and Stefan Elliott. So the Leafs probably wouldn't be good trading partners with Colorado here.

 

[bustaheims]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I wouldn't, and that's kind of the problem. His production last season approached his junior career high, and it's rare that players exceed that. It also sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to the rest of his NHL career, which really makes me question whether it was a breakout or an anomaly. Though, even if it was a breakout, to me, it signals that he likely tops out as a very good 2nd line centre, and, well, the Leafs already have one of those. I just wouldn't be willing to give up that much for a guy who I think realistically ends up as a 2nd line on a middle of the pack/3rd line on a good team type.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

His production last season approached his junior career high, and it's rare that players exceed that. It also sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to the rest of his NHL career, which really makes me question whether it was a breakout or an anomaly.

I don't really think you're acknowledging here that O'Reilly made it into the NHL as an 18-year old. His career high in the OHL doesn't really mean a whole lot considering he missed out on two potential seasons there. And 66 points in 68 games isn't really anything for a 17-year old to be ashamed about.

As for his NHL point totals, they've improved in each of his 3 seasons. And when looking at his first two seasons I again need to stress that we're talking about somebody who was 18/19 years old, getting 3rd line minutes and barely any powerplay time. At the age of 20 he finally got a chance to play some big minutes and had a breakout season. I get being afraid of one-year wonders and anomalies, but to me that breakout season didn't seem like a coincidence.

 

[drummond]

His production last season approached his junior career high, and it's rare that players exceed that. It also sticks out like a sore thumb when compared to the rest of his NHL career, which really makes me question whether it was a breakout or an anomaly.

I don't really think you're acknowledging here that O'Reilly made it into the NHL as an 18-year old. His career high in the OHL doesn't really mean a whole lot considering he missed out on two potential seasons there. And 66 points in 68 games isn't really anything for a 17-year old to be ashamed about.

As for his NHL point totals, they've improved in each of his 3 seasons. And when looking at his first two seasons I again need to stress that we're talking about somebody who was 18/19 years old, getting 3rd line minutes and barely any powerplay time. At the age of 20 he finally got a chance to play some big minutes and had a breakout season. I get being afraid of one-year wonders and anomalies, but to me that breakout season didn't seem like a coincidence.

He also made a good transition to the KHL - 10 pts (5+5) in 10 games so far in Magnitogorsk (in comparison to Nik Kulemin those numbers are not Malkin inflated).

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

Something along the lines of two 1sts and a 2nd, I would imagine. Maybe a bit less.

Wow.....That's a lot to give up.

 

[TML fan]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

Something along the lines of two 1sts and a 2nd, I would imagine. Maybe a bit less.

Wow.....That's a lot to give up.

I would imagine he's worth a lot to Colorado.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

Something along the lines of two 1sts and a 2nd, I would imagine. Maybe a bit less.

Wow.....That's a lot to give up.

I would imagine he's worth a lot to Colorado.

And? Is he worth that much to Toronto?

 

[TML fan]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

Something along the lines of two 1sts and a 2nd, I would imagine. Maybe a bit less.

Wow.....That's a lot to give up.

I would imagine he's worth a lot to Colorado.

And? Is he worth that much to Toronto?

I don't know. Probably not.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I found this interesting with Elliotte Friedman's article.  He has been quite accurate in his reports in the past:

12. Wonder if Phoenix is sniffing around Toronto's Matthew Lombardi. He skated there during the lockout and apparently has good chemistry with some of the Coyotes. Maybe there's a fit. Probably wouldn't cost a ton and might be a good change for everyone.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/01/30-thoughts-corey-perry-ryan-getzlaf-take-priority-on-ducks.html

Also:
1. After Brian Burke's Saturday media conference, one source came up with an actual sensible reason for the timing of the change. It sounds like the Toronto Maple Leafs new ownership disagreed with Burke's CBA philosophies -- the unwillingness to use bonuses, back-diving contracts and offer sheets among other things. It's about using your resources to the fullest extent. In the new deal, there are further limitations, but still advantages to being a financial powerhouse (bonuses, for example, were not touched). If this is true, we're going to see a change in the way Toronto does business.

Finally the Leafs might react to players like NYR and Philadelphia.

 

[dappleganger]

Man, I would give up a lot for O'Reilly.

I don't know O'Reilly that well. What do you think you would need to give up for him?

I'd imagine the conversation would start with Gardiner. O'Reilly is kind of like Bergeron, or at least that's what he projects to be.

Bergeron had 31 goals and 42 assists in his 3rd pro season compared to O'Reilly's 18 goals and 37 assists.

He's not on the same projection as Bergeron and never has been.

There's a lot of over-valuing of O'Reilly going on here. He's a good player but not all-star calibre. 

He's never broke 20 goals junior or pro. He'd be the second best center on the Leafs which makes me ask, why bother?

 

[Big Daddy]

Ok Nonis lets get Canadian

Send Kessel and JVR to Anaheim for Getzlaf then Anaheim can have the all american line of Ryan/JVR/Kessel.  Hopefully Perry follows his best friend in the summer.

Send Connelly and Komisarek to the NYI for Moulson or Martin.

Send Bozak and Liles to Colorado for O'Reilly and Wilson

Lupul/Getzlaf/Martin
MacArthur/Grabo/Kulemin
Komarov/O'Reilly/Frattin
McClement/Steckel/Brown

Phaneuf/Gunnarsson
Gardiner/Wilson
Franson/Fraser

 

[Erndog]

Send Kessel and JVR to Anaheim for Getzlaf then Anaheim can have the all american line of Ryan/JVR/Kessel. 

Good idea. 

2 years of Kessel and 6 years of JVR for potentially 1 year of Getzlaf. 

Not to mention Kessel outperformed Getzlaf last year by quite a wide margin also.

 

[Corn Flake]

Send Kessel and JVR to Anaheim for Getzlaf then Anaheim can have the all american line of Ryan/JVR/Kessel. 

Good idea. 

2 years of Kessel and 6 years of JVR for potentially 1 year of Getzlaf. 

Not to mention Kessel outperformed Getzlaf last year by quite a wide margin also.

So how is that a good idea for Toronto, or are you being sarcastic?

edit: you are being sarcastic.

 

[Tigger]

I found this interesting with Elliotte Friedman's article.  He has been quite accurate in his reports in the past:

Also from the article...

21. Let's play some cap circumvention. Hockey Night In Canada producer Brian Spear came up with a couple of ideas, so I ran them past NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. First, NBA-style sign-and-trades. Basically, a basketball free agent wants to leave his team for somewhere else, but still wants the extra year you get for staying put. Voila! Original team signs him and trades him. Can this happen in the NHL?

22. Daly's answer: Yes, provided the player was on a team's reserve list as of the most recent trade deadline. Therefore, anyone acquired on that date is ineligible.

23. Second, a player says, "I'll sign a one-year deal with your team as a free agent provided I get eight years next summer." In essence, this guy gets nine years where he should have received seven.

24. Daly's answer: You can do this, but we better not find a paper trail. Google "Joe Smith" and "Timberwolves." NBA commissioner David Stern crushed Minnesota for that one.

 

[Britishbulldog]

I found this interesting with Elliotte Friedman's article.  He has been quite accurate in his reports in the past:

Also from the article...

21. Let's play some cap circumvention. Hockey Night In Canada producer Brian Spear came up with a couple of ideas, so I ran them past NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly. First, NBA-style sign-and-trades. Basically, a basketball free agent wants to leave his team for somewhere else, but still wants the extra year you get for staying put. Voila! Original team signs him and trades him. Can this happen in the NHL?

22. Daly's answer: Yes, provided the player was on a team's reserve list as of the most recent trade deadline. Therefore, anyone acquired on that date is ineligible.

23. Second, a player says, "I'll sign a one-year deal with your team as a free agent provided I get eight years next summer." In essence, this guy gets nine years where he should have received seven.

24. Daly's answer: You can do this, but we better not find a paper trail. Google "Joe Smith" and "Timberwolves." NBA commissioner David Stern crushed Minnesota for that one.

I found that interesting as well.  Time for the Leafs to FLEX SOME FINANCIAL MUSCLES.

 

[Redleaf]

Retweeted by our favorite media man, Steve Simmons....

Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...

 

[Deebo]

I'd be he ends up back in Ottawa.

Edit: Ian Mendes says he has it on good authority that the sens aren't interested... so guess I'd lose my bet

 

[bustaheims]

Retweeted by our favorite media man, Steve Simmons....

Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...

So, lies, lies, fiction and more lies?

 

[bustaheims]

That being said, Redden for super cheap wouldn't be the worst idea. I mean, worst case scenario is that he's a veteran #7 D on what would likely be a near league minimum deal.