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We need Cory Schneider

Corn Flake said:
Erndog said:
I just think that all acquiring a veteran is going to do is delay the inevitable.  The inevitable being finding a permanent solution in goal.

Say we do get a decent vet, he then gives us 1, maybe 2 decent years (what does Reimer do in the meantime here? play 30-40 games?) then we have to test drive Reimer as a starter ALL over again.  Pass.

I want a potentially elite goalie for the next 10 years.  I want this goalie situation solved.  Getting a veteran just buys more time (and really?  Do we want a Nabokov? A Khabibulan?  Seriously?)... I'd much prefer giving the keys to Schneider and letting the chips fall where they may.  Hey, he may not be the answer but at the very least it's a well calculated risk that has potential for a MASSIVE payoff.  All getting a veteran does is become a stop-gap for a year or two.
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Well I do think what they need is a stop gap and a support guy.  the stop gap buys a bit more time to evaluate the prospects they have, and see if Reimer bounces back. There never is a "permanent" solution in goal.  Of the best ones the Leafs have had in the last 25 years, Potvin was here for only 7 seasons, and arguably only 4 of those were actually really good ones.

No I don't want a Navokov or a Khabbi ... not THAT old ... as suggested, Biron is a good option and Vokoun is another one.  You could trade for a Halak, who wouldn't cost what Schneider would because of the contract. 

I still think Reimer deserves a good chance next year, and he will get it.  Give the kid the off season to fully recover from the head spins and give him a veteran guy to support him.  The Leafs have at least four options in the system starting with Reimer so its not as if they are devoid of goalie prospects.  And we all know they can come out of nowhere at any time. 

I think Schneider and the cost to get him is as much of a risk as putting faith in Reimer taking on 50% of the starts next year along with a veteran... just a different kind of risk.
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Why not Kiprusoff?  He's 35 and would be a great option for the next 2 or 3 years.  He could steal games and be that calming influence on the team while we wait for one of our 3 young goalies to emerge as a starter.  Man, i hope one of them emerges at least. 

What do you guys think it would take?
 
Karlsson, Irving, Ramo... Would you say any of those guys are ready to be a starter? I honestly don't know but if the feeling is "no" (and I suspect it is) then don't you think they just keep Kipper?
 
Sarge said:
Karlsson, Irving, Ramo... Would you say any of those guys are ready to be a starter? I honestly don't know but if the feeling is "no" (and I suspect it is) then don't you think they just keep Kipper?
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It's probably quite similar to Reimer, Rynnas, and Scrivens.
 
http://thehockeywriters.com/2011-12-nhl-rfa-compensation-rules/

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 ? $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 ? $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 ? $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 ? $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 ? $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
 
On top of which, Vancouver has $55 mil committed to 17 players for next year.  If there are no changes to the cap, Vancouver has $9 million to sign 6 players (including RFA Mason Raymond).  If you offer Schneider the max for a 2nd round pick compensation ($3,134,099), it puts them in quite a precarious situation.  I still say them match if the compensation in only a 2nd round pick...put it does put them in a salary shedding situation...
 
louisstamos said:
On top of which, Vancouver has $55 mil committed to 17 players for next year.  If there are no changes to the cap, Vancouver has $9 million to sign 6 players (including RFA Mason Raymond).  If you offer Schneider the max for a 2nd round pick compensation ($3,134,099), it puts them in quite a precarious situation.  I still say them match if the compensation in only a 2nd round pick...put it does put them in a salary shedding situation...
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It would be worth it just to watch Mike Gillis' head explode.
 
I'm with Nik on this one. We've amassed all these goalies, we should at least ride it out, because I feel confident that one of them is going to emerge here. If one doesn't, well at least we tried to develop one, rather than trading our prospects for a shorter term fill in. I like the odds of one of these kids emerging, even Reimer bouncing back is a good gamble IMO.
 
If we are going this route, I say keep the young players the leafs have and create a deal centred around Kessel for Schneider.  Move pieces to offset values and risk, as well as salary.
 
Potvin29 said:
The Sedins aren't soft.
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Maybe not Kessel soft. Daniel certainly pasted Keith the other night but they do have a reputation of being easy to push around. I think Boston proved that last year.
 
Sarge said:
Potvin29 said:
The Sedins aren't soft.
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Maybe not Kessel soft. Daniel certainly pasted Keith the other night but they do have a reputation of being easy to push around. I think Boston proved that last year.
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Nothing says soft like losing in game 7...
 
louisstamos said:
On top of which, Vancouver has $55 mil committed to 17 players for next year.  If there are no changes to the cap, Vancouver has $9 million to sign 6 players (including RFA Mason Raymond).  If you offer Schneider the max for a 2nd round pick compensation ($3,134,099), it puts them in quite a precarious situation.  I still say them match if the compensation in only a 2nd round pick...put it does put them in a salary shedding situation...
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Not that Gillis wouldn't match ( or that Schneider would even sign ) but that seems like an interesting avenue, at the very least.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
If we are going this route, I say keep the young players the leafs have and create a deal centred around Kessel for Schneider.  Move pieces to offset values and risk, as well as salary.
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I really don't understand this idea, trading Kessel for any goalie seems wrong headed to me.
 
Tigger said:
Sarge said:
Potvin29 said:
The Sedins aren't soft.
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Maybe not Kessel soft. Daniel certainly pasted Keith the other night but they do have a reputation of being easy to push around. I think Boston proved that last year.
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Nothing says soft like losing in game 7...
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What does game 7 have to do with it? Look. - They have a reputation and that's just plain fact. I don't think it's a coincidence Burrows (not the most talented of blokes) has played the majority of his career in Vancouver on that line.   
 
Sarge said:
Tigger said:
Sarge said:
Potvin29 said:
The Sedins aren't soft.
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Maybe not Kessel soft. Daniel certainly pasted Keith the other night but they do have a reputation of being easy to push around. I think Boston proved that last year.
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Nothing says soft like losing in game 7...
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What does game 7 have to do with it? Look. - They have a reputation and that's just plain fact. I don't think it's a coincidence Burrows (not the most talented of blokes) has played the majority of his career in Vancouver on that line. 
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I don't want to go down the road of defending these guys too far but if you're a prominent part of a team that makes it to game 7 of the finals I don't think you can count that as evidence of a player being soft.

If you want to go on reputation, ok, but what you said doesn't prove that to me, kind of the opposite in fact.
 
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