2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Kin]

Just a random question: during the Leafs Blueprint, I noticed all the players getting off of an Air Canada plane. Why wouldn't an organization like MLSE (and the other franchises) have its own plane and pilots?

Edit: I mean for the players; I'm aware there's a corporate jet for MLSE.

Doesn't really seem worth it to have. The Air Canada planes they use are special ones designed for this kind of usage I believe. It's not like they're flying in those little WestJet ones.

All of the Canadian NHL teams seem to use the same Charter service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Jetz

See, it's Jets but with a z like the hip kids are using.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

See, it's Jets but with a z like the hip kids are using.

kewl.

 

[ZBBM]

See, it's Jets but with a z like the hip kids are using.

kewl.

Sounds like a failed clothing line.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1179788309247205376

Seems like the 4th line auditions will carry on throughout October.

 

[Highlander]

https://twitter.com/markhmasters/status/1179788309247205376

Seems like the 4th line auditions will carry on throughout October.

I thought Timashov played pretty well, only made one gaffe that I noticed.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Considering a few things from the past day, I'm starting to suspect that Sandin is here mostly to get his feet wet and that he'll be back on the Marlies once Dermott returns.

1) Marincin, love him or hate him, played the most PK minutes on the team last night. Even if he won't lead the team in that category every single night, it still indicates that Babcock will consider him a big part of that group post-Hainsey/Zaitsev. Tough to potentially lose a guy like that on waivers.

2) Sandin is not playing on any specialty team units, and likely won't at any point of the season. Like we saw last night, that means he won't be playing a ton of minutes considering the top-4 is poised to be leaned on heavily at 5-on-5.

3) Players like Petan and Shore seem to still be very much in contention for a spot on the team even though their cap hits make it much more difficult to keep Sandin on the team once healthy.

 

[herman]

Correct. He's going to crush the AHL.

But he has a few more games to convince the front office otherwise.

 

[ZBBM]

Considering a few things from the past day, I'm starting to suspect that Sandin is here mostly to get his feet wet and that he'll be back on the Marlies once Dermott returns.

1) Marincin, love him or hate him, played the most PK minutes on the team last night. Even if he won't lead the team in that category every single night, it still indicates that Babcock will consider him a big part of that group post-Hainsey/Zaitsev. Tough to potentially lose a guy like that on waivers.

2) Sandin is not playing on any specialty team units, and likely won't at any point of the season. Like we saw last night, that means he won't be playing a ton of minutes considering the top-4 is poised to be leaned on heavily at 5-on-5.

3) Players like Petan and Shore seem to still be very much in contention for a spot on the team even though their cap hits make it much more difficult to keep Sandin on the team once healthy.

I hate you.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1179792769654624257

Spezza and Petan in. Timashov and Shore out.
Dermott taking reps!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1179803707309019136

But the PK?!

 

[Bender]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1179803707309019136

But the PK?!

Guess he wants to see a rotation and see who sticks.

 

[Highlander]

Sorry but Petan does not do it for me, I think Bourne over at the Athletic was saying the same thing the other day.  Timashov, is shifty, yet defensively responsible,has speed and a low centre of gravity.  And he can't clear waivers. 
I like Holl but he is a tweener.

 

[herman]

Justin time!

 

[herman]

Kyle Dubas was on the NHL Executive Suite podcast earlier this week to go through last season and his career progression so far.

 

[Coco-puffs]

Just a random question: during the Leafs Blueprint, I noticed all the players getting off of an Air Canada plane. Why wouldn't an organization like MLSE (and the other franchises) have its own plane and pilots?

Edit: I mean for the players; I'm aware there's a corporate jet for MLSE.

Doesn't really seem worth it to have. The Air Canada planes they use are special ones designed for this kind of usage I believe. It's not like they're flying in those little WestJet ones.

All of the Canadian NHL teams seem to use the same Charter service:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Jetz

See, it's Jets but with a z like the hip kids are using.

A friend of mine's wife is a flight attendant for this service.  She did the Leafs the last two seasons.  She had some funny takes on the players last year.  Unfortunately I won't be getting any inside info anymore as she's not working the Leafs charter this year as they've moved to the west coast.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1179548368395223040

Cap shenanigans. Something to do with his bonuses too.

Explained:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/10/2/20896187/toronto-maple-leafs-toronto-marlies-timothy-liljegren-maple-leafs-roster-marlies-roster-cap-space

NOTE: now according to Cap Friendly, Liljegren?s AAV and bonuses have been subtracted from the LTIR pools. LTIR comes in two flavours, one pool is for performance bonuses and one for the salary portion of the total AAV.

This means there is now $400,000 in the bonuses pool and $88,333 in the salary pool available with Nic Petan on the roster. That would indicate that there is room to recall Liljegren in the future.

My understanding is that while you can use the salary pool to cover bonuses if the bonus pool runs short, you can?t do the reverse, so this seems to put the maximum AAV of any call-up without bonuses at the previously assumed $863,333.

Leafs can recall any player with a cap hit up to Liljegren's and/or bonuses up to Liljegren's.

 

[pmrules]

This powerplay strategy is frustrating for more than a year now. You can't have BOTH a stacked PP1 AND an approximate 50/50 split in ice time.

If you are going to stack PP1 then they need to be on the ice for >1 min at a time of the Powerplay. 

If you insist on playing time to be split 50/50 between PP1 and PP2, then you need to have PP1 with Tavares/Marner/Rielly and PP2 with Matthews/Nylander/Barrie - or some split thereof.  Nylander and Barrie are out there by themselves on PP2. 

 

[Frank E]

This powerplay strategy is frustrating for more than a year now. You can't have BOTH a stacked PP1 AND an approximate 50/50 split in ice time.

If you are going to stack PP1 then they need to be on the ice for >1 min at a time of the Powerplay. 

If you insist on playing time to be split 50/50 between PP1 and PP2, then you need to have PP1 with Tavares/Marner/Rielly and PP2 with Matthews/Nylander/Barrie - or some split thereof.  Nylander and Barrie are out there by themselves on PP2.

Just for some math here, the big-4 have played about 33% more PP TOI YTD than Barrie and Nylander, according to NHL.com.

 

[pmrules]

This powerplay strategy is frustrating for more than a year now. You can't have BOTH a stacked PP1 AND an approximate 50/50 split in ice time.

If you are going to stack PP1 then they need to be on the ice for >1 min at a time of the Powerplay. 

If you insist on playing time to be split 50/50 between PP1 and PP2, then you need to have PP1 with Tavares/Marner/Rielly and PP2 with Matthews/Nylander/Barrie - or some split thereof.  Nylander and Barrie are out there by themselves on PP2.

Just for some math here, the big-4 have played about 33% more PP TOI YTD than Barrie and Nylander, according to NHL.com.

Well that is to be expected if/when PP1 scores...PP2 gets 0 time.

The issue is when they don't score and they all scurry off between 0:45 and 1:00.

EDIT:  Also if PP2 scores then PP1 will have higher Ice time as well.  Eg.  PP2 30 seconds into their shift, then PP1 was out there for a minute while PP2 was out there for 30 seconds. PP1 will always have higher TOI.

 

[Frank E]

This powerplay strategy is frustrating for more than a year now. You can't have BOTH a stacked PP1 AND an approximate 50/50 split in ice time.

If you are going to stack PP1 then they need to be on the ice for >1 min at a time of the Powerplay. 

If you insist on playing time to be split 50/50 between PP1 and PP2, then you need to have PP1 with Tavares/Marner/Rielly and PP2 with Matthews/Nylander/Barrie - or some split thereof.  Nylander and Barrie are out there by themselves on PP2.

Just for some math here, the big-4 have played about 33% more PP TOI YTD than Barrie and Nylander, according to NHL.com.

Well that is to be expected if/when PP1 scores...PP2 gets 0 time.

The issue is when they don't score and they all scurry off between 0:45 and 1:00.

EDIT:  Also if PP2 scores then PP1 will have higher Ice time as well.  Eg.  PP2 30 seconds into their shift, then PP1 was out there for a minute while PP2 was out there for 30 seconds. PP1 will always have higher TOI.

I'm not sure what exactly you're arguing here, but I already showed that the "big-4" are playing significantly more PP time, as would be expected given the "stacking".

How much more would you like them to play?