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2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

Hobbes said:
Highlander said:
Campbell starts tomorrow in San wherever.
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That's an odd choice since we have a back-to-back on Thurs-Fri so you'd think he gets one of those as well.
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I'm thinking maybe Freddie is still getting over his injury so they have a chance to give him some extra time?
 
I appreciate it's one paragraph of what I'm sure is a longer conversation but that's basically just straight-up gibberish.
 
Nik Bethune said:
I appreciate it's one paragraph of what I'm sure is a longer conversation but that's basically just straight-up gibberish.
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I'm not shocked that this is your take  ;D
 
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1235374918461767682
Thou shalt not start versus your former team
 
Nik Bethune said:
I appreciate it's one paragraph of what I'm sure is a longer conversation but that's basically just straight-up gibberish.
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In terms of guys who are 'always getting criticized more than other people', I'm not sure Nylander cracks my top 5.
 
Lots of assists more than goals, which means the scoring has been spread out to some effect.  Coach Keefe expects a little more support from the bottom half.


                          Leafs five-on-five scoring ? Last 25 games
PLAYER                 GOALS                       POINTS
Zach Hyman                  8                                    16
Auston Matthews          11                                    15
Mitch Marner                  3                                    14
William Nylander            6                                    13
John Tavares                  6                                    12
Kasperi Kapanen            2                                    11
Alex Kerfoot                    2                                    11
Jason Spezza                  3                                      7
Pierre Engvall                  2                                      5
Frederik Gauthier            3                                      4
Andreas Johnsson            1                                      4
Kyle Clifford                    1                                      3
Egor Korshkov                1                                      1
Denis Malgin                    0                                      0


https://theathletic.com/1658510/2020/03/06/the-leafs-need-more-help-for-the-big-guys-where-do-they-find-it/
 
I have high hopes for Liljegren as a NHL defender, I do, but I don't think he's ready this season. He's played 11 games so far. He had a CF over 50% in just 3 of those and they came in his first 4 games. This is where he falls among the Leafs 8 defencemen in a bunch of stats during Ceci's injury (5-on-5):

8th in TOI/GP (9:28)
8th in CF/60 (43.06)
7th in CA/60 (60.16)
8th in CF% (41.72)
6th in GF/60 (1.9)
7th in GA/60 (4.43)
8th in GF% (30.00)
8th in xGF/60 (1.45)
8th in xGA/60 (2.79)
8th in xGF% (34.18)

I think a part of this is just mental/confidence, which is somewhat understandable. He's jumping into a team in a pretty high pressure situation. Hopefully that's not as much of an issue when he's competing for a spot in camp next season and early in the year.

For as bad as we think Ceci is, in the 10 games prior to his injury at least he was breaking even in CF (exactly 50%) and had a slightly positive xGF (51.44%) while playing a lot more minutes.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I have high hopes for Liljegren as a NHL defender, I do, but I don't think he's ready this season. He's played 11 games so far. He had a CF over 50% in just 3 of those and they came in his first 4 games. This is where he falls among the Leafs 8 defencemen in a bunch of stats during Ceci's injury (5-on-5):

8th in TOI/GP (9:28)
8th in CF/60 (43.06)
7th in CA/60 (60.16)
8th in CF% (41.72)
6th in GF/60 (1.9)
7th in GA/60 (4.43)
8th in GF% (30.00)
8th in xGF/60 (1.45)
8th in xGA/60 (2.79)
8th in xGF% (34.18)

I think a part of this is just mental/confidence, which is somewhat understandable. He's jumping into a team in a pretty high pressure situation. Hopefully that's not as much of an issue when he's competing for a spot in camp next season and early in the year.

For as bad as we think Ceci is, in the 10 games prior to his injury at least he was breaking even in CF (exactly 50%) and had a slightly positive xGF (51.44%) while playing a lot more minutes.
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I imagine part of it is that the team isn't able to shelter him in the same way they'd like. There's no veteran to pair him with, the blueline is not deep enough to be able to limit the quality of his opponents as much as I'm sure they'd like, etc. He and Sandin have basically been thrown into the deep end, and, while Sandin has managed to stay afloat, Liljegren hasn't so much.
 
bustaheims said:
I imagine part of it is that the team isn't able to shelter him in the same way they'd like. There's no veteran to pair him with, the blueline is not deep enough to be able to limit the quality of his opponents as much as I'm sure they'd like, etc. He and Sandin have basically been thrown into the deep end, and, while Sandin has managed to stay afloat, Liljegren hasn't so much.
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Well he's been sheltered in terms of his minutes/usage, but yeah maybe having a veteran to play beside him would have been nice. Still, he likely won't be paired with one next season either if he makes the team so it's something he'll need to figure out.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Well he's been sheltered in terms of his minutes/usage, but yeah maybe having a veteran to play beside him would have been nice. Still, he likely won't be paired with one next season either if he makes the team so it's something he'll need to figure out.
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The way he's been sheltered is not one that's going to help his development particularly. He needs to be able to play 15+ minutes a night, and, as things are right now, there's no way to do that comfortably.
 
bustaheims said:
CarltonTheBear said:
Well he's been sheltered in terms of his minutes/usage, but yeah maybe having a veteran to play beside him would have been nice. Still, he likely won't be paired with one next season either if he makes the team so it's something he'll need to figure out.
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The way he's been sheltered is not one that's going to help his development particularly. He needs to be able to play 15+ minutes a night, and, as things are right now, there's no way to do that comfortably.
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Ah ok I get what you mean. In any event like I said I do believe he can rebound next season when he gets a full training camp where he can grow with the team and play more minutes and the coaching staff will be more tolerant of any mistakes he might make. But in the meantime (*groans*), we need Cody Ceci.
 
Since I feel bad for being mean to Liljegren I want to share that in the whole 6 minutes of penalty kill time he's played this season he has a 50% CF and 75% FF so if those numbers hold he'll be the best penalty killer of all time.
 
What has happened to Liljegren was kind of expected. Even Sandin has been exposed at times. I'm not too concerned with either right now because they will learn from this. Liljegren is turning 21 next month and Sandin 20 tomorrow so they're both really young. What I do like though is that nobody is ripping the kids for their mistakes. Patience will payoff.
 
https://twitter.com/leafspr/status/1236045155825745922

Duplicated in tonight?s GDT because it is pertinent
 
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