Getzlaf and Ryan "in play" according to Bob Murray

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I think you offer up the Grabbo line and if it takes more you toss in schenn. that imo should get the deal done.

And if that doesn't work keep adding 4th round picks until the trade bar evens out.

Lets face it- Kulemin, Grabovski & MacArthur are less than a full season away from being our best overall line. If Kulemin can get his mojo back than that deal favors Anaheim big time. I don't see a need for adding Schenn to that offer, unless you remove one of the other three.

EDIT: I'm not convinced that Hiller isn't a player Burke is interested in acquiring. Does he offer up Reimer or Gus as part of a package to get Hiller and Getzlaf or Ryan?

Could we possibly have the Jonas brothers in goal. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

 

[Stebro]

Hmm, didn't realize that we are so close to the cap. Too bad that we can't get rid of Armstrong, Lombardi and MacArthur very easy. I do think it would be difficult for us capwise to acquire Getzlaf or Ryan. Who do we move? Likely someone like Grabovski and something else, maybe MacArthur?

 

[Tigger]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

 

[bustaheims]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

Yeah. The whole "core play for core player" thing makes me believe nothing will happen on their "big 3" until the summer.

 

[rdowdall]

For the record, I doubt we'll land anyone of note off the Ducks roster now.  Burke's MO the last few seasons has been to make a big trade with no rumblings at all in the press.  This is far too visible now that Murray opened up his trap.  Every team in the league is going to be putting packages together.

Sorry Zee, I am not sure where this misconception is coming from.

- We knew the Leafs were persuing Phil Kessel at the draft. The whole rumoured mix up between first round picks. Where we thought it was Kessel and a 1st for Kaberle, but the Bruins thought it was Kaberle and a 1st for Kessel. We traded for him 2 months later.

- Versteeg was rumoured out of town for 2 months. Lots of speculation he requested a trade and/or the Leafs were looking to deal him.

- Kaberle to Boston was talked about for a while... everyone knew well in advance it was quite plausible Kaberle was being traded to Boston.

- Leafs were rumoured to be acquiring Grabovski or Higgins for Sundins negotiating rights. A while later the Leafs traded a second for Grabs.

- LILES! Tons of speculation last deadline the Leafs were looking at Liles. Tons. They traded for him in the summer.



Often where there is smoke there is fire. Quite a bit of Leaf deals in recent years were speculated well in advance one way or another.

The biggest trades Burke has made were the moves to get Phaneuf and Giguere, both of which we heard nothing about.

Edit: with the exception of Kessel of course, but that was a given he was coming to the Leafs and Burke's first move.

I would throw in the Lupol and Gardiner deal for Beauchemin.

 

[Zee]

For the record, I doubt we'll land anyone of note off the Ducks roster now.  Burke's MO the last few seasons has been to make a big trade with no rumblings at all in the press.  This is far too visible now that Murray opened up his trap.  Every team in the league is going to be putting packages together.

Sorry Zee, I am not sure where this misconception is coming from.

- We knew the Leafs were persuing Phil Kessel at the draft. The whole rumoured mix up between first round picks. Where we thought it was Kessel and a 1st for Kaberle, but the Bruins thought it was Kaberle and a 1st for Kessel. We traded for him 2 months later.

- Versteeg was rumoured out of town for 2 months. Lots of speculation he requested a trade and/or the Leafs were looking to deal him.

- Kaberle to Boston was talked about for a while... everyone knew well in advance it was quite plausible Kaberle was being traded to Boston.

- Leafs were rumoured to be acquiring Grabovski or Higgins for Sundins negotiating rights. A while later the Leafs traded a second for Grabs.

- LILES! Tons of speculation last deadline the Leafs were looking at Liles. Tons. They traded for him in the summer.



Often where there is smoke there is fire. Quite a bit of Leaf deals in recent years were speculated well in advance one way or another.

The biggest trades Burke has made were the moves to get Phaneuf and Giguere, both of which we heard nothing about.

Edit: with the exception of Kessel of course, but that was a given he was coming to the Leafs and Burke's first move.

I would throw in the Lupol and Gardiner deal for Beauchemin.

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.  That Lupul/Gardiner deal was a wildcard because Lupul had never put up more than 50 points in a season and Beauchemin was the "name" in that deal.  That's why I'm skeptical that we'll get any of the big 3 from Anaheim.

Nobody would reverse that Lupul deal now the way he's lighting it up by the way, what a steal of a trade.

 

[AvroArrow]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

Yeah. The whole "core play for core player" thing makes me believe nothing will happen on their "big 3" until the summer.

I was thinking a deal with Carolina for Staal, or Columbus for Carter would be more likely than us being able to get one of these guys.

But I hope Murray goes for quantity over quality, and TO gets in on it.  Kulemin, Kadri and Schenn could be pieces that might fit the "core" ideals.

 

[Zee]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

Yeah. The whole "core play for core player" thing makes me believe nothing will happen on their "big 3" until the summer.

I was thinking a deal with Carolina for Staal, or Columbus for Carter would be more likely than us being able to get one of these guys.

But I hope Murray goes for quantity over quality, and TO gets in on it.  Kulemin, Kadri and Schenn could be pieces that might fit the "core" ideals.

The Carter long term contract scares me though.

 

[Tigger]

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.

That's a pretty narrow view, you think a public record would stop Burke from trying to get a Getzlaf? Not me.

 

[Mack674]

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.

That's a pretty narrow view, you think a public record would stop Burke from trying to get a Getzlaf? Not me.

Phaneuf came out of left field so all of a sudden Burke only makes shadowy out of nowhere deals...
Pretty sure I heard about Kessel every other day until Burke acquired him. That theory has no merit.

The superstition and paranoia around here is silly.

 

[Tigger]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

Yeah. The whole "core play for core player" thing makes me believe nothing will happen on their "big 3" until the summer.

I was thinking a deal with Carolina for Staal, or Columbus for Carter would be more likely than us being able to get one of these guys.

But I hope Murray goes for quantity over quality, and TO gets in on it.  Kulemin, Kadri and Schenn could be pieces that might fit the "core" ideals.

In the sense that Carolina, Columbus and Anaheim all have something in common I can understand it but there's no way that Nik, Nazem or Luke can be painted in the same light as Getzlaf.

If no team in the league offers a legit core for core trade and Murray still wants to make a deal then maybe he relents on his position but it's not very likely as we're talking about, arguably, acquiring one of the hardest things to establish on your team... a bonafide number one centre.

 

[Zee]

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.

That's a pretty narrow view, you think a public record would stop Burke from trying to get a Getzlaf? Not me.

Not a narrow view at all.  As soon as a player's name is in the press, there's a ton of speculation, and the asking price goes up.  Then it becomes more difficult to make a deal.  Now you may say this is BS and all GMs are instantly aware of which players are available to be traded but this isn't the case.  When the Phaneuf deal happened there was more than one rumbling that other GMs were upset they didn't know he was available and could have offered a better package for him.

Pretty sure I heard about Kessel every other day until Burke acquired him. That theory has no merit.

The Kessel deal is TOTALLY different in that he :
a) wasn't a bona-fide superstar when we got him, he was a young goal scorer
b) bruins weren't looking for "core" players in the deal, we got him for draft picks

 

[Tigger]

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.

That's a pretty narrow view, you think a public record would stop Burke from trying to get a Getzlaf? Not me.

Not a narrow view at all.  As soon as a player's name is in the press, there's a ton of speculation, and the asking price goes up.  Then it becomes more difficult to make a deal.  Now you may say this is BS and all GMs are instantly aware of which players are available to be traded but this isn't the case.  When the Phaneuf deal happened there was more than one rumbling that other GMs were upset they didn't know he was available and could have offered a better package for him

I didn't say it was bs or anything about other gm's, what I said was that it wouldn't stop Burke from doing it if it made sense. If you're saying it's more difficult to make a trade for a high profile player well, yeah, it is and those kinds of trades are rare ( even more so with the cap ) but I don't think public discourse makes it a deal breaker.

 

[Mack674]

All im saying is that Burke isnt suddenly going to cancel a deal because its leaked in the media that something is going on. "Oh! Its in the rumor mill, nevermind I dont want Getzlaf anymore "

 

[Tigger]

Also, fwiw, I wouldn't put the Giguere deal in the same stratosphere as the Phaneuf deal or anything remotely like a Getzlaf deal.

 

[Britishbulldog]

The thing is, Burke doesn't acquire "big name" players in trades when you hear the person's name in the press constantly.  That Lupul/Gardiner deal was a wildcard because Lupul had never put up more than 50 points in a season and Beauchemin was the "name" in that deal.  That's why I'm skeptical that we'll get any of the big 3 from Anaheim.

Nobody would reverse that Lupul deal now the way he's lighting it up by the way, what a steal of a trade.

My impression with the Lupul/Gardiner for Beauchemin deal was that Anaheim needed help with their defense and Beauchemin was a known entity to them PLUS Lupul was damaged goods that was on a large contract that Burke was willing to eat as the Leafs are rich and the Ducks are broke.  For taking the albatross contract of Lupul, Burke was able to get one of the good defense prospects of the Ducks.

I don't know if Lupul's $4.25 MIL contract wasn't insured...I know that Lombardi's $3.5 MIL Nashville contract wasn't.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

When I read Murray's words and look at most of the deals proposed here I don't really see much in the way of 'core player for core player', fwiw.

Yeah. The whole "core play for core player" thing makes me believe nothing will happen on their "big 3" until the summer.

When was the last superstar for superstar trade? And no, Heatley for Havlat doesn't count.

Anaheim cant afford Eric Staal's contract, so unless they want to swap Geztlaf/Ryan for Carter  (which wont save them any $) then they are going to have to look at a package deal.

Schenn could be considered a 'core' player depending on your definition. 'Core' doesn't necessarily mean superstar, and I think a guy like Schenn is as close as they can realistically expect, especially as they need to save money desperately..

 

[Corn Flake]

All im saying is that Burke isnt suddenly going to cancel a deal because its leaked in the media that something is going on. "Oh! Its in the rumor mill, nevermind I dont want Getzlaf anymore "

I would agree with you there.  Burke obviously prefers any deal to have zero media attention until done, but he has made moves in the past - high profile moves - that were well documented by the press.  He's said he tries as hard as he can to keep it quiet but can't control both sides of the equation. 

 

[Deebo]

When was the last superstar for superstar trade? And no, Heatley for Havlat doesn't count.

Heatley for Hossa maybe.

 

[sneakyray]

When was the last superstar for superstar trade? And no, Heatley for Havlat doesn't count.

Heatley for Hossa maybe.

luongo for bertuzzi