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Jimmy Vesey

CarltonTheBear said:
Adam Vingan ‏@AdamVingan
David Poile: "I clearly believe that Jimmy has received bad advice and bad counsel."
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Exercising his collectively bargained right to hit free agency at the age of 23 is "bad advice"?
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Really.  I like Poile but that's arrant nonsense.  If he wants to play in the same system as his g/d father & brother, then to hell with the naysayers. 
 
L K said:
If only Poile offered to be the little spoon in bed.  Then Vesey would have signed with him for sure.  This is seriously pure comedy.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Really.  I like Poile but that's arrant nonsense.  If he wants to play in the same system as his g/d father & brother, then to hell with the naysayers. 
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Even ignoring all the family stuff, a prospect has to sacrifice 4 years of potential NHL paycheques in order to finish their college degree. Anyone who does that would be silly to at least not strongly consider the option of waiting until August 15th and becoming a free agent. Poile's acting like Vesey is committing some sort of faux-pas, when it's really just common sense.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Really.  I like Poile but that's arrant nonsense.  If he wants to play in the same system as his g/d father & brother, then to hell with the naysayers. 
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Even ignoring all the family stuff, a prospect has to sacrifice 4 years of potential NHL paycheques in order to finish their college degree. Anyone who does that would be silly to at least not strongly consider the option of waiting until August 15th and becoming a free agent. Poile's acting like Vesey is committing some sort of faux-pas, when it's really just common sense.
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And Vesey's degree will be good insurance in case he doesn't make it in hockey.  It's not like he loyally hung in for 4 years at Quinnipiac.  A skin from Harvard is a nice thing to lead off your CV with.
 
what else is the guy going to say?  have fun in toronto or boston etc?  they've run out of any kind of real leverage so perhaps out of frustration they're trying to at least make sure they don't lose the public relations battle too.  I think it could be very well the stuff coming out of Nashville right now is as much for the benefit of their fan base as anyone.
 
crazyperfectdevil said:
what else is the guy going to say?  have fun in toronto or boston etc?  they've run out of any kind of real leverage so perhaps out of frustration they're trying to at least make sure they don't lose the public relations battle too.  I think it could be very well the stuff coming out of Nashville right now is as much for the benefit of their fan base as anyone.
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It might just be me but a grown man having a temper tantrum doesn't strike me as the right thing to do.
 
L K said:
crazyperfectdevil said:
what else is the guy going to say?  have fun in toronto or boston etc?  they've run out of any kind of real leverage so perhaps out of frustration they're trying to at least make sure they don't lose the public relations battle too.  I think it could be very well the stuff coming out of Nashville right now is as much for the benefit of their fan base as anyone.
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It might just be me but a grown man having a temper tantrum doesn't strike me as the right thing to do.
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This happened last year with Mike Reilly and Columbus, here's their GM's response:

?He exercised his right in the CBA to talk to other teams,? Kekalainen told BlueJackets.com. ?He narrowed his list down to two or three teams, and we're not one of them. We did everything we could, but we have to make other plans now. He was a good prospect for us, but we have to move forward.?

?This was something that we were waiting for. This effects the decisions we make from this point on (in the offseason), and now we have to make other decisions accordingly.?
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I mean I get maybe Reilly didn't tell these guys that he'd sign with them a month or so prior, but nothings official until ink hits paper.
 
And Chicago when it happened to them 2 years ago with Kevin Hayes:

"We offered Kevin what we believed was a generous and fair contract. Unfortunately, he felt it was in his best interests to become a free agent," Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman said in a statement. "We are looking forward to the compensatory draft pick we are receiving and are focused on the excitement surrounding the start of training camp next month."
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note: Nashville won't receive a compensatory pick because that only applies for prospects drafted in the 1st round.
 
Also, even if Nashville's claim about guaranteeing Vesey a spot in the top-6 for playoffs and that they didn't acquire anyone else at the trade deadline because they were counting on him were true that doesn't exactly look great on Nashville.

1) You were going to head into the playoffs with a rookie who would have only had at most 5 NHL games of experience in your top-6? And 2) You chose not to acquire anyone else at the deadline, but adding another forward wouldn't have hurt even if Vesey did sign. Would have especially made sense considering point #1.

Basically Nashville's trying to make Vesey look like the bad guy to cover up their own incompetence in the situation.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
Also, even if Nashville's claim about guaranteeing Vesey a spot in the top-6 for playoffs and that they didn't acquire anyone else at the trade deadline because they were counting on him were true that doesn't exactly look great on Nashville.

1) You were going to head into the playoffs with a rookie who would have only had at most 5 NHL games of experience in your top-6? And 2) You chose not to acquire anyone else at the deadline, but adding another forward wouldn't have hurt even if Vesey did sign. Would have especially made sense considering point #1.

Basically Nashville's trying to make Vesey look like the bad guy to cover up their own incompetence in the situation.
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i agree that probably wasn't the best thing to get out to the media.  but i think it's also what makes this situation different from the other two mentioned. 
 
I really can't get over Nashville "guaranteeing" Vesey a top-6 spot heading into playoffs. The Leafs didn't even hand Soshnikov and Hyman spots on their NHL team at the start of the season and Hyman had a more productive senior year than Vesey did (granted, Hyman seems to have had better linemates).
 
So this whole situation begs the question... How many scouting positions are available for the fathers of good junior players already drafted by other NHL teams? 8)
 
RedLeaf said:
So this whole situation begs the question... How many scouting positions are available for the fathers of good junior players already drafted by other NHL teams? 8)
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I think the better question is how many fathers of good NCAA players are quality scouts?
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I really can't get over Nashville "guaranteeing" Vesey a top-6 spot heading into playoffs. The Leafs didn't even hand Soshnikov and Hyman spots on their NHL team at the start of the season and Hyman had a more productive senior year than Vesey did (granted, Hyman seems to have had better linemates).
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I think it might have something to do with assuring local media and fan base that they gave it their best shot.
 
Significantly Insignificant said:
Justin Schultz.  Just want to put things in to perspective here.
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Schultz was exactly what he was made out to be - very good on the offensive side of the puck, but needing work on defence. Unfortunately for him, he chose the worst possible situation for that.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I really can't get over Nashville "guaranteeing" Vesey a top-6 spot heading into playoffs. The Leafs didn't even hand Soshnikov and Hyman spots on their NHL team at the start of the season and Hyman had a more productive senior year than Vesey did (granted, Hyman seems to have had better linemates).
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My guess is it's almost certainly not true. Or at least not in a meaningful way. They might have committed to giving him a crack at a big role in the lineup but they wouldn't have tied their hands guaranteeing one without seeing how it worked out.
 
bustaheims said:
lamajama said:
Bob McKenzie had a good point - Nashville, being the only NHL team that Vesey can play for this year, could sign
and play him to burn 1 year off the entry level deal. Quicker path to the $$$$.
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That's kind of a double-edged sword though. Vesey's ELC will be 2 years whether he signs with the Preds for this season, or with anyone in the summer. If he burns a year now, he'll have to negotiate his next contract off of one season instead of two. He also won't reach UFA until the summer of 2020 regardless, so it doesn't help him out there.
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I wonder if the Leafs will offer the 2016 3rd round pick since the Leafs have the NJ one.  It would close to the compensation Nashville (pick 61 compared to 31) would have gotten if Vesey had been a 1st round pick and is better than nothing.

I also see that Harvard has him listed this year at 6'3" 203 lbs compared to the draft year stats of 6'1" 184 lbs four years ago.  I haven't been able to find a picture of him standing beside Phil Kessel so I can't know for sure which report is accurate.
 
Britishbulldog said:
I wonder if the Leafs will offer the 2016 3rd round pick since the Leafs have the NJ one.  It would close to the compensation Nashville (pick 61 compared to 31) would have gotten if Vesey had been a 1st round pick and is better than nothing.
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Why would the Leafs offer anything for a pending free agent?
 
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