Jimmy Vesey

[herman]

Do the leafs have any cap space to sign this guy?

If he wants to sign here, there is plenty of time to make cap space via trade. The Cowen situation needs to be sorted out at some point as well.

Personally, I don't think he's really worth the hassle.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

Do the leafs have any cap space to sign this guy?

If he wants to sign here, there is plenty of time to make cap space via trade. The Cowen situation needs to be sorted out at some point as well.

Personally, I don't think he's really worth the hassle.

I'm with you.

 

[Frank E]

Do the leafs have any cap space to sign this guy?

If he wants to sign here, there is plenty of time to make cap space via trade. The Cowen situation needs to be sorted out at some point as well.

Personally, I don't think he's really worth the hassle.

Sure, they'd have to make some room, but I don't think there's any hassle involved. 

He'll command a max-max deal, and he's just going to pick where he wants to play.

 

[herman]

Sure, they'd have to make some room, but I don't think there's any hassle involved. 

He'll command a max-max deal, and he's just going to pick where he wants to play.

The hassle-free solution is to assign Matthews, Nylander, or Zaitsev to the AHL. Or bury a medium contract like Greening/Michalek/Laich to recoup that 950k.

 

[Deebo]

Do the leafs have any cap space to sign this guy?

If he wants to sign here, there is plenty of time to make cap space via trade. The Cowen situation needs to be sorted out at some point as well.

Personally, I don't think he's really worth the hassle.

Sure, they'd have to make some room, but I don't think there's any hassle involved. 

He'll command a max-max deal, and he's just going to pick where he wants to play.

I don't think they need to make any trades to sign him. I'm pretty sure they can ice a 23 man roster right now without placing anyone on LTIR and they have the LTIR option for Horton if needed.

They would have to carry over bonuses to next season but they have boatloads of cap room in 2017/18 and no significant RFAs to sign.

 

[herman]

I don't think they need to make any trades to sign him. I'm pretty sure they can ice a 23 man roster right now without placing anyone on LTIR and they have the LTIR option for Horton if needed.

They would have to carry over bonuses to next season but they have boatloads of cap room in 2017/18 and no significant RFAs to sign.

You're right. I just whipped up a team on CapFriendly with everyone on it (26 including Nathan Horton and Stephan Robidas and Garret Sparks as a sub for future backup; Cowen bought out) and we hit:

Roster:26 Cap Hit: $71,209,167 Bonuses: $5,400,000 Cap Space: $1,790,833

Roster
Van Riemsdyk, James ($4,250,000) - Kadri, Nazem ($4,500,000) - Komarov, Leo ($2,950,000)
Greening, Colin ($2,650,000) - Bozak, Tyler ($4,200,000) - Lupul, Joffrey ($5,250,000)
Michalek, Milan ($4,000,000) - Matthews, Auston ($925,000) - Nylander, William ($894,167)
Laich, Brooks ($4,500,000) - Holland, Peter ($1,300,000) - Martin, Matt ($2,500,000)

Leivo, Josh ($612,500)
Marner, Mitchell ($894,167)
Horton, Nathan ($5,300,000)

Gardiner, Jake ($4,050,000) - Zaitsev, Nikita ($925,000)
Hunwick, Matt ($1,200,000) - Rielly, Morgan ($5,000,000)
Carrick, Connor ($750,000) - Marincin, Martin ($1,250,000)

Polak, Roman ($2,250,000)
Corrado, Frank ($600,000)

Robidas, Stephane
$3,000,000


Andersen, Frederik ($5,000,000)
Sparks, Garret ($575,000)

 

[bustaheims]

Do the leafs have any cap space to sign this guy?

In terms of summer cap space? Yes. In terms of in season cap space? That's harder to say for sure at this point. There are plenty options available to the Leafs to create that room, should they need it (especially if the Cowen situation is settled in their favour).

 

[herman]

Mike Harrington is the very picture of butthurt.

http://www.tsn.ca/harrington-vesey-situation-handled-very-poorly-1.546984

https://twitter.com/BNHarrington/status/765013071140192256

For the "he's just following the rules" crowd: Ask some 6-7-year NHLers what they think of Vesey's UFA status. They'd say it's a crock
? Mike Harrington (@BNHarrington) August 15, 2016

 

[CarltonTheBear]

For the "he's just following the rules" crowd: Ask some 6-7-year NHLers what they think of Vesey's UFA status. They'd say it's a crock
? Mike Harrington (@BNHarrington) August 15, 2016

Well, that's because those guys never went to college so I don't really blame them for not being able to understand how a collective bargaining agreement works.

 

[Kin]

Sure, if there's one group of people who really need to be considered it's the veterans who screw over entry level players in every CBA negotiation.

 

[bustaheims]

And, to be fair, similar options are available to other drafted players, if they're willing to not sign a contract for a few seasons, and possibly play in Europe until they're around the same age as Vesey.

 

[herman]

Vesey wanted to ensure he had a future outside of hockey, which as a third round pick is generally an outside shot, by completing his Harvard degree. By exercising his CBA-given rights, he is drawing the ire of a Sabres beat writer who would otherwise have nothing to say about it, save for Tim Murray trading a 3rd for the exclusive rights to negotiate with a player who already explicitly said he would be hitting free agency to make a fully informed and mature decision about his life.

Good for him.

 

[Kin]

There's really just no getting through to people who think that professional athletes having and exercising the same rights and freedoms as literally anyone else in the work force is some kind of moral failing. You can't reason people out of something they didn't reason into.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/765329528675770368
https://twitter.com/craigjbutton/status/765339528286445572

Whatever push the Leafs intend on putting on Vesey when the free agent window opens, will likely include Auston Matthews helping sell Tor.
? Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) August 15, 2016

@DarrenDreger @TSN_Sports Auston has no experience with Leafs, has spent a few days there this summer. So he's selling Vesey on what?
? Craig Button (@CraigJButton) August 16, 2016

I kind of love this.

 

[bustaheims]

Whatever push the Leafs intend on putting on Vesey when the free agent window opens, will likely include Auston Matthews helping sell Tor.
? Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) August 15, 2016

@DarrenDreger @TSN_Sports Auston has no experience with Leafs, has spent a few days there this summer. So he's selling Vesey on what?
? Craig Button (@CraigJButton) August 16, 2016

I kind of love this.

How awesome it would be to play on the same team? That's really about all he has.

 

[Redleaf]

Whatever push the Leafs intend on putting on Vesey when the free agent window opens, will likely include Auston Matthews helping sell Tor.
? Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) August 15, 2016

@DarrenDreger @TSN_Sports Auston has no experience with Leafs, has spent a few days there this summer. So he's selling Vesey on what?
? Craig Button (@CraigJButton) August 16, 2016

I kind of love this.

How awesome it would be to play on the same team? That's really about all he has.

Don't forget the inevitable 'wouldn't it be cool to play an exhibition game with your brother and with your dad scouting in the stands'?  :

 

[Kin]

How awesome it would be to play on the same team? That's really about all he has.

To be fair that's really all any player would say. It's not like they're going to be doing a deep dive on the city's museum scene.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Bringing in an individual player like Matthews to help sell his team doesn't really sound very Lou Lamoriello-like. I'd imagine the negotiations would be more one-on-one with Vesey. In a small, dark room. With the sounds of his dad screaming somewhere in the distance.

 

[Kin]

Bringing in an individual player like Matthews to help sell his team doesn't really sound very Lou Lamoriello-like. I'd imagine the negotiations would be more one-on-one with Vesey. In a small, dark room. With the sounds of his dad screaming somewhere in the distance.

After this summer I'd really have thought the go to Lou Lamoriello joke would be less The Godfather and more a guy mistakenly tipping a bellboy 100 dollars and being too embarrassed to ask for it back.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

After this summer I'd really have thought the go to Lou Lamoriello joke would be less The Godfather and more a guy mistakenly tipping a bellboy 100 dollars and being too embarrassed to ask for it back.

Someone's reputation can often last long, long past it's relevance.