Jimmy Vesey

[Frank E]

I agree with all these comments but I do think Nashville fans have every reason to be pissed. This doesn't happen very often, after all.

It doesn't happen often but it happens enough that no fan should see a draft choice as automatically being a part of the team that drafted him. Jimmy Vesey is not a member of the Nashville predators organization. He never was. His decision doesn't make the team or organization weaker. Jimmy Vesey was never obligated to sign with the team that drafted him. If thinking he was is the basis for being "pissed off" then that's a result of a fan not understanding the draft, not anything Vesey did.

He kind of spurned them though, especially given that he was obviously given a opportunity to play NHL hockey this year but chose not to.

That would be disappointing, just like if Matthews chose not to sign with the Leafs if they drafted him.

Sure, he's got every right, but it still burns somewhat.

 

[Kin]

He kind of spurned them though, especially given that he was obviously given a opportunity to play NHL hockey this year but chose not to.

Sure, just like if a bunch of teams are trying to sign a free agent and he chooses one over the rest the fans of the teams not selected will be disappointed. But Brad Richards choosing the Rangers over the Leafs didn't make Brad Richards a jerk. It would be even more reasonable for a Dallas fan to be disappointed by Richards' choice but nobody but the most provincial fan would somehow argue that Richards choosing to move on from Dallas somehow reflected a failing on his part. 

Again, it's reasonable to be disappointed. It's not reasonable to be disappointed in Vesey. 

 

[herman]

It's like asking someone to the prom, and she says, let me finish my school projects first and then let you know...

So you go out and order the limo, get fitted for a tux, get tickets to the big game the following week, buy a promise ring, talk to her dad to ask for permission to marry her, and pick out a minivan, and then show up at her door the day after her project is submitted and she says no thanks to the prom.

Of course you'll be miffed. So you hold a press conference and air your grievance to curry public favour. That's stupid.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

It's like asking someone to the prom, and she says, let me finish my school projects first and then let you know...

So you go out and order the limo, get fitted for a tux, get tickets to the big game the following week, buy a promise ring, talk to her dad to ask for permission to marry her, and pick out a minivan, and then show up at her door the day after her project is submitted and she says no thanks to the prom.

Of course you'll be miffed. So you hold a press conference and air your grievance to curry public favour. That's stupid.

If Nashville is a minivan, you can't really blame Vesey for not wanting to drive it. Personally, I'd rather drive a tank, too. 

 

[Jolly good show chaps]

It's like asking someone to the prom, and she says, let me finish my school projects first and then let you know...

So you go out and order the limo, get fitted for a tux, get tickets to the big game the following week, buy a promise ring, talk to her dad to ask for permission to marry her, and pick out a minivan, and then show up at her door the day after her project is submitted and she says no thanks to the prom.

Of course you'll be miffed. So you hold a press conference and air your grievance to curry public favour. That's stupid.

*thumbs up*

 

[CarltonTheBear]

And here's the other side of the story:

According to Poile, the Predators did not make a move at the trade deadline because assistant GM Paul Fenton was told by Vesey last month that he planned to join the team. However, a source said the Predators were told of Vesey's decision a few days before the deadline in order for the team to conduct business unrelated to him.

If there was any miscommunication between the sides, it was cleared up prior to the deadline, according to the source.

Vesey's camp has been quiet to this point, but his representatives are planning to release a statement around noon Wednesday.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/15096290/jimmy-vesey-reps-told-predators-test-free-agency-trade-deadline

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Also, there's a report that he'll be signing with the Bruins when he becomes a free agent: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins/2016/03/bruins_notebook_harvard_s_jimmy_vesey_has_eye_on_bruins_according_to_source

 

[Frank E]

He kind of spurned them though, especially given that he was obviously given a opportunity to play NHL hockey this year but chose not to.

Sure, just like if a bunch of teams are trying to sign a free agent and he chooses one over the rest the fans of the teams not selected will be disappointed. But Brad Richards choosing the Rangers over the Leafs didn't make Brad Richards a jerk. It would be even more reasonable for a Dallas fan to be disappointed by Richards' choice but nobody but the most provincial fan would somehow argue that Richards choosing to move on from Dallas somehow reflected a failing on his part. 

Again, it's reasonable to be disappointed. It's not reasonable to be disappointed in Vesey.

I'd compare it more to like if the Leafs sent a 3rd round pick to Dallas to get negotiating rights for Richards, brought him to town, wined and dined him, got him some time with our fitness and skating gurus, and then he chooses the open market for the same money as the Leafs were offering.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I'd compare it more to like if the Leafs sent a 3rd round pick to Dallas to get negotiating rights for Richards, brought him to town, wined and dined him, got him some time with our fitness and skating gurus, and then he chooses the open market for the same money as the Leafs were offering.

I still don't see how that makes Richards a jerk in that scenario.

 

[Frank E]

I'd compare it more to like if the Leafs sent a 3rd round pick to Dallas to get negotiating rights for Richards, brought him to town, wined and dined him, got him some time with our fitness and skating gurus, and then he chooses the open market for the same money as the Leafs were offering.

I still don't see how that makes Richards a jerk in that scenario.

Just for the record, I wasn't suggesting Vesey was a jerk for doing what he did.

The comparison was just to highlight how fans might feel spurned somewhat.

 

[Kin]

The comparison was just to highlight how fans might feel spurned somewhat.

Except, again, that's entirely unreasonable. Even if your analogy were apt then everyone would see it as a transparent attempt by the Leafs to avoid competing with other teams for his services in free agency with no actual regard to whether or not Brad Richards wanted to get to free agency or be a Leaf. The Leafs have no reasonable expectations in that situation and are idiots for paying a 3rd round pick without having a deal worked out.

herman's analogy fits this like a glove. You might "feel spurned" if a girl turns you down for a date but any reaction that tries to casts her in a bad light because she doesn't like you makes you the jackass. "Feeling spurned" is not justification, moral or intellectual, for acting like a spoiled idiot. 

 

[Highlander]

All things being equal, why wouldn't a young man want to play for the team he grew up idolizing if he has the choice?  Its quite clear his Bro will never play for the Leafs or any other team in the NHL.
So whats really holding him from that dream except $$$

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Statement from Vesey's camp:

 

[Kin]

I think it says something about the mentality of a certain kind of fan where Jimmy Vesey feels he has to defend his decision to get a Harvard degree.

 

[Frank E]

I think it says something about the mentality of a certain kind of fan where Jimmy Vesey feels he has to defend his decision to get a Harvard degree.

Not that it makes any difference, but he could have made up the last couple of months or so later on.

I'm not sure that part is very relevant, but certainly his general rationale is sound in my book.

Like I said, he has every right to do what he did, and it's unfortunate that his camp feels as though they have to publicly defend their decision.

 

[Kin]

Not that it makes any difference, but he could have made up the last couple of months or so later on.

He also could give all his money to feed the homeless. Does he? No? So does he hate homeless people? Seems unclear. Just raisin' questions.

 

[crazyperfectdevil]

if he really does want to sign with boston make he is a jerk.

 

[Joe S.]

Let's say vesey wasn't that talented and after this time it was the preds who decided not to sign him (like a bazillion other prospects who never make it to the NHL) should he then have the same gripes as poile?

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

Let's say vesey wasn't that talented and after this time it was the preds who decided not to sign him (like a bazillion other prospects who never make it to the NHL) should he then have the same gripes as poile?

Poile would be all, "Lol, you shouldn't have waited, sucker!  U suck!"

 

[Zee]

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out wherever he lands.  I don't recall the last time a college free agent has made a huge impact on an NHL team.  A few years ago Justin Schultz was "the guy" that everyone wanted and his career hasn't exactly been stellar so far. Maybe Vesey is the guy, who knows.