bustaheims
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Sounds like Dubas basically engineered his own way out - made demands he knew weren?t going to met and would ultimately lead to his dismissal.
Kyle Dubas not returning as GM
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CarltonTheBear said:
Shanny gave him that opportunity. Dubas didn't need to speak publicly to the press about it and babble on the way he did. It screamed to me of someone who maybe held his cards tightly to his chest to his employer but let his heart bleed to a friend, except the friend is the press. It was such a dumb decision. Shanny said this wasn't a financial decision, but it had to be in part, because Kyle came back with a higher request AFTER that, after a contract had already been agreed on. I mean, seriously dude? To me it reads as someone who didn't really want to be there, but money talks, which is a bad basis for someone to stay if they also don't have their heart in it or their judgment could be clouded by pressure/stress.
It's just very, very, very strange to me that we're going to have a massive change in our management team during quite possibly one of the most critical years of this teams history and it has absolutely nothing to do with Dubas' actual performance as the GM of this team. Like I said just a very bizarre turn of events during the past week, which admittedly both Dubas and Shanny had roles in.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Bender said:
Strung the Leafs along since the trade deadline? Then at the last minute demand more money? Kinda bizarre.
Redleaf
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This is a tough pill to swallow.
Incompetence from both sides here. Dubas wanted back by all accounts and the Leafs wanted him back but?it didn?t get worked out ???
Yeah. I?m very concerned we?ve taken some steps backwards in the steady progression of this team today. Man, I hope I?m wrong and bringing in a new GM is just what the doctor ordered, but I?m not holding my breath.
Incompetence from both sides here. Dubas wanted back by all accounts and the Leafs wanted him back but?it didn?t get worked out ???
Yeah. I?m very concerned we?ve taken some steps backwards in the steady progression of this team today. Man, I hope I?m wrong and bringing in a new GM is just what the doctor ordered, but I?m not holding my breath.
L K said:
I don't have a problem with what he said on Monday. I can understand others thinking otherwise but that's just me. Having a framework for a new contract completed last weekend and then asking for a presumably hefty increase on Thursday is a pretty odd move on Dubas' part though (assuming that Shanny is being 100% truthful regarding that).
bustaheims
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Rob said:
Circumstances clearly changed for him in that time - professional, personal, and/or both - and he was only willing to stay for a position that wasn?t available. It happens.
L K said:
And why do we never hear from him? I have found this bizarre for quite a while how he never makes himself available for an interview (that I have seen) to hear how everything is going in his world. The most we get is an occasional 'statement'. Since the idea of the Shanaplan, which I recall as a 5 year plan, he has sat back in the shadows - and I really am not sure on his overall thoughts on how to build a winning team.
After putting my conspiracy theory hat on I wonder if Dubas was basically trying to make a play where his new contract could eventually transition him to the President position after Shanny's deal is done (2025) and Pridham would then take over the GM role.
That of course doesn't really work when you're negotiating with the guy you're trying to basically usurp. But, uh, props to him for trying?
That of course doesn't really work when you're negotiating with the guy you're trying to basically usurp. But, uh, props to him for trying?
Rob said:
I mean the Leafs basically strung him along for the first 80% of the year. There's a reason GM's going into the final year of their contracts without an extension is almost unheard of.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
Oh, he was definitely angling for Shanny?s job with those demands.
bustaheims said:
I've become more and more convinced this is what was happening ever since I wrote it out. It also just explains why Shanny shut it down pretty abruptly.
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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CarltonTheBear said:
Not by what Shanahan says he told Dubas last off-season.
"The timeline on the Kyle Dubas contract ? I suppose you could go back to last offseason. I approached Kyle in his office at the Ford Performance Center and explained to him that he would be not receiving a contract offer prior to his final year of his contract. I tried to reassure him that it wasn?t a reflection of his future with the club. I reminded him that it was a situation I found myself in a few years prior as well and that it was my hope and my intention that after the end of the year ? after being judged for the full five years of his contract ? we would be extending him and moving forward."