Leafs offer for Bernier.......Or Not!

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Sorry, who exactly claimed this was a done deal (or close to it?)

It's been buzzing around twitter from one of the self proclaimed rumor-heads.  Nothing legit yet.

Frattin and a pick for Bernier is the suggestion.  Worth discussing on a slow day I guess.

Personally, I don't think Burke is willing to send Frattin for Bernier. I'll be very surprised if he does this.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Yeh, based on the Nash deal, I thinmFrattin is a bit aof an overpayment for a non proven 3 year goaltender with 48 total games.... I'll stand thanks

Frattin's hardly proven either, though.

True, but given how mediocre each season has been for Toronto, that could end up being a high pick in what is currently expected to be a pretty deep draft.

Well, if it's even true, we don't know what the pick would be, or if it would be for the next draft even (if you're still allowed to trade picks for more than 1 draft ahead, I've lost track of what I don't know about the CBA).  If it's a 3rd - 5th, it will hardly end up being a high pick.  Even in a deep draft there's not much to worry about, IMO.  Anything you can get from those rounds is gravy.

I can't imagine sending Frattin + 1st or 2nd, but stranger things have happened I suppose.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Well, if it's even true, we don't know what the pick would be, or if it would be for the next draft even (if you're still allowed to trade picks for more than 1 draft ahead, I've lost track of what I don't know about the CBA). 

There was a 2014 draft pick traded the other day, forget which deal, but it must be allowed for two drafts away anyway.

 

[Corn Flake]

I can't imagine sending Frattin + 1st or 2nd, but stranger things have happened I suppose.

That would be a far bigger price to pay than TB paid for Lindback, so yeah would be hard to imagine that being the cost.

 

[Tigger]

Sorry, who exactly claimed this was a done deal (or close to it?)

It's been buzzing around twitter from one of the self proclaimed rumor-heads.  Nothing legit yet.

Frattin and a pick for Bernier is the suggestion.  Worth discussing on a slow day I guess.

Personally, I don't think Burke is willing to send Frattin for Bernier. I'll be very surprised if he does this.

I don't know what Burke is willing to do but I'd be very surprised as well.

 

[Kin]

I think people are overvaluing Frattin somewhat. He'll be turning 25 this season and doesn't yet have a full NHL season under his belt.

 

[Corn Flake]

Sorry, who exactly claimed this was a done deal (or close to it?)

It's been buzzing around twitter from one of the self proclaimed rumor-heads.  Nothing legit yet.

Frattin and a pick for Bernier is the suggestion.  Worth discussing on a slow day I guess.

Personally, I don't think Burke is willing to send Frattin for Bernier. I'll be very surprised if he does this.

I don't know what Burke is willing to do but I'd be very surprised as well.

I like Frattin but not seeing how he and a 2nd round pick is too steep a price to pay for one of the top up-and-coming goaltenders in the league. 

2 years ago, Bernier was expected to usurp Quick. It was almost assumed it would happen but Quick just kept getting better. It wasn't like Bernier lost the job.. he never got much of a chance to take it. 

I'm not saying Bernier is the next great elite goalie but he's one of the most promising ones in the league. To sacrifice Frattin and a 2nd, while a tad painful, isn't that steep of a price.  Far less than the Leafs have paid for goalies in the last 5 years.

Of course this all assumes the rumor is even remotely legit, but hey .. we are here to make stuff up and speculate too.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think people are overvaluing Frattin somewhat. He'll be turning 25 this season and doesn't yet have a full NHL season under his belt.

That's because he was in school, generally, players are older when they play their first NHL season after school, no?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Sorry, who exactly claimed this was a done deal (or close to it?)

It's been buzzing around twitter from one of the self proclaimed rumor-heads.  Nothing legit yet.

Frattin and a pick for Bernier is the suggestion.  Worth discussing on a slow day I guess.

Howard Berger ‏@Berger_BYTES

One of my bird-dogs insisted today #Leafs are working diligently to acquire help in goal; a deal could be on the horizon. Bernier?

 

[Kin]

That's because he was in school, generally, players are older when they play their first NHL season after school, no?

I don't know about generally, I've never seen any numbers behind it, but my point was just that a guy at that age has a more limited potential for growth than someone at 22 or 23 and that his late start has us thinking about him as a prospect but he's very much a physically mature adult. So while there's every possibility that he becomes a good NHL player he's not likely to be seen as a hot prospect.

 

[Leafaholic99]

That's because he was in school, generally, players are older when they play their first NHL season after school, no?

I don't know about generally, I've never seen any numbers behind it, but my point was just that a guy at that age has a more limited potential for growth than someone at 22 or 23 and that his late start has us thinking about him as a prospect but he's very much a physically mature adult. So while there's every possibility that he becomes a good NHL player he's not likely to be seen as a hot prospect.

At this point for Frattin, its either show he can play in the NHL now, or he will be an AHLer for life I'd think.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

So while there's every possibility that he becomes a good NHL player he's not likely to be seen as a hot prospect.

I don't think we're too far away from agreement here, as I was very skeptical about Frattin and all the hype about him last season from watching him actually play. But I think his playoff in the AHL before the injury tells that his upside is very much alive. I don't know how good he'll be, but I just have this feeling that it's too high a price for Bernier, who is a guy that wants a trade.

Not only that, but Bernier is also a guy that Burke said he wasn't going to be going after, so for him to give up a player that he absolutely gushed about last season, seems a stretch to me. Anything can happen, I'm simply saying that I'd be surprised if it happened is all.

 

[nutman]

So while there's every possibility that he becomes a good NHL player he's not likely to be seen as a hot prospect.

I don't think we're too far away from agreement here, as I was very skeptical about Frattin and all the hype about him last season from watching him actually play. But I think his playoff in the AHL before the injury tells that his upside is very much alive. I don't know how good he'll be, but I just have this feeling that it's too high a price for Bernier, who is a guy that wants a trade.

Not only that, but Bernier is also a guy that Burke said he wasn't going to be going after, so for him to give up a player that he absolutely gushed about last season, seems a stretch to me. Anything can happen, I'm simply saying that I'd be surprised if it happened is all.

me to.

 

[bustaheims]

DarrenDreger: Ok...I'll weigh in from Sask on speculation Leafs are closing in on Bernier deal. Burke says they're not even talking with LA. As you were.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I'll take Dreger's word on it for now.

 

[bustaheims]

Well, if it's even true, we don't know what the pick would be, or if it would be for the next draft even (if you're still allowed to trade picks for more than 1 draft ahead, I've lost track of what I don't know about the CBA). 

There was a 2014 draft pick traded the other day, forget which deal, but it must be allowed for two drafts away anyway.

I don't think there's a limit on how far away picks can be traded for. It's really more that GMs generally won't accept deals where picks are more than a draft or two away.

 

[maplesyrup]

Berger.  :

 

[Tigger]

Sorry, who exactly claimed this was a done deal (or close to it?)

It's been buzzing around twitter from one of the self proclaimed rumor-heads.  Nothing legit yet.

Frattin and a pick for Bernier is the suggestion.  Worth discussing on a slow day I guess.

Personally, I don't think Burke is willing to send Frattin for Bernier. I'll be very surprised if he does this.

I don't know what Burke is willing to do but I'd be very surprised as well.

I like Frattin but not seeing how he and a 2nd round pick is too steep a price to pay for one of the top up-and-coming goaltenders in the league. 

2 years ago, Bernier was expected to usurp Quick. It was almost assumed it would happen but Quick just kept getting better. It wasn't like Bernier lost the job.. he never got much of a chance to take it. 

I'm not saying Bernier is the next great elite goalie but he's one of the most promising ones in the league. To sacrifice Frattin and a 2nd, while a tad painful, isn't that steep of a price.  Far less than the Leafs have paid for goalies in the last 5 years.

Of course this all assumes the rumor is even remotely legit, but hey .. we are here to make stuff up and speculate too.

I agree that it's not as much in terms of talent cost as we've seen in the past but I look at the Lindback deal, and maybe that's a mistake on my part, but I don't see the need to send him in a trade for Bernier. I could be wrong there, easily, but Frattin seems like the kind of player that could be pretty useful for the Leafs.

I know the Leafs need some more bullets in the gun at the goaltending position, and maybe I've simply seen more of Matt and his ability and it's clouding my judgement, but I really like his game.

 

[Kin]

Well, if it's even true, we don't know what the pick would be, or if it would be for the next draft even (if you're still allowed to trade picks for more than 1 draft ahead, I've lost track of what I don't know about the CBA). 

There was a 2014 draft pick traded the other day, forget which deal, but it must be allowed for two drafts away anyway.

I don't think there's a limit on how far away picks can be traded for. It's really more that GMs generally won't accept deals where picks are more than a draft or two away.

Yeah, I mean, if 1st rounders can move in RFA compensation four years out I don't see how you couldn't trade them.

 

[Rebel_1812]

We could very well say the same thing about the other prospects, but the fact that the Kings will settle for Frattin and not a Kadri or a Colborne, might just indicate that they think he's the better prospect based on his potential.

Grammar police here, but there's no need for the indefinite article. There is only one Nazem Kadri and one Joe Colborne on the team.

good for you.  Every time you correct someones grammar an Angel gets its wings.